2012 Mock Draft (3 Rounds) Version 2.0
Once again, a few point are to be made prior to reading the draft I have compiled.
1)Seeing as I am not sure I will have time in the foreseeable future to do another one of these, I am going to throw in a few trades for the hell of it. Trade value chart used: http://drafttek.com/tradechart.html
2)Draft order from Walterfootball (plus my prediction of outcomes for the remaining games)
3)I am using a draft strategy that combines BAP and need. Needs will be based on this and comments from this
4)If you know someone I included is returning to school please let me know, and if you think there are players I am missing, it is quite possible I am under the impression they are returning to school.
5)Please do not hold back any criticism you might have.
Trades:- Miami trades 1.9, 2.10, and a 2013 2nd rounder to Minnesota for 1.3 - Washington might be in the better spot to trade up for RG III, I think that with a new head coach in Miami, they will make the harder push to move up for the new QB.
- Cincy trades 1.17 and 1.21 to Washington for 1.6 and 3.6- I have a feeling this trade is going to be very unpopular with the Bengals fans, but with Richardson there, and 2 first round picks for the Bengals, I could see them looking to move up to snag the top RB in the draft. For the Redskins, there really is no one (IMO) that makes so much sense at 6 that they would not make the trade.
Draft:
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1. IND: Andrew Luck QB 2. STL: Matt Kalil T 3. MIA(v/MIN): Robert Griffin III QB 4. CLE: Justin Blackmon WR 5. TB: Morris Claiborne CB 6. CIN(v/WAS): Trent Richardson RB 7. JAX: Dre Kirkpatrick CB 8. CAR: Jonathan Martin T 9. MIN(V/MIA): Alshon Jeffery WR 10. BUF: Courtney Upshaw OLB/DE 11. KC: David DeCastro G 12. SEA: Whitney Mercilus DE 13. ARZ: Riley Reiff T 14. DAL: Alfonso Dennard CB 15. PHI: Luke Kuechly ILB 16. NYJ: Mark Barron S 17. WAS(v/CIN v/OAK): Cordy Glenn G/T 18. SD: Nick Perry OLB/DE 19. CHI: Michael Floyd WR 20. TEN: Quinton Coples DE 21. WAS(v/CIN): Janoris Jenkins CB 22. CLE(v/ATL): Melvin Ingram DE 23. DET: Kelechi Osemele G/T 24. PIT: Dontari Poe NT 25. DEN: Devon Still DT 26. HOU: Dwight Jones WR 27. NE(v/NO): Peter Konz C 28. GB: Michael Brockers DE/DT 29. NYG: Zach Brown OLB 30. BAL: Vontaze Burfict ILB 31. NE: Ronnell Lewis OLB/DE 32. SF: Chase Minifield CB
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1. STL: Kendall Wright WR 2. IND: Brandon Thompson DT 3. MIN: Fletcher Cox DT 4. TB: Mohamed Sanu WR 5. CLE: Lamar Miller RB 6. JAX: Vinny Curry DE 7. WAS: Ryan Tannehill QB 8. CAR: Stephon Gilmore CB 9. BUF: Marvin McNutt WR 10. MIN(v/MIA): Jayron Hosley CB 11. SEA: Chris Polk RB 12. KC: Dont'a Hightower ILB 13. DAL: Billy Winn DE/DT 14. PHI: Nick Toon WR 15. NYJ: Mike Adams T 16. NE(v/OAK): Markelle Martin S 17. SD: Dwayne Allen TE 18. CHI: Andre Branch DE 19. PHI(v/ARZ): Lavonte David OLB 20. TEN: Brandon Washington G 21. CIN: Casey Hayward CB 22. ATL: Coby Fleener TE 23. DET: Ben Jones C 24. PIT: Shea McClellin OLB/DE 25. DEN: Stephen Hill WR 26. HOU: Alameda Ta'amu NT 27. NO: Cam Johnson DE 28. GB: Frank Alexander OLB/DE 29. NYG: Zebrie Sanders T 30. BAL: Mike Brewster C 31. NE: Reuben Randle WR 32. SF: Tommy Streeter WR |
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1. IND: Trumaine Johnson CB/S 2. STL: Josh Robinson CB 3. MIN: Nate Potter T 4. CLE: Bobby Wagner OLB 5. TB: Danny Trevathan OLB 6. CIN(v/WAS): Harrison Smith S 7. JAX: Chris Givens WR 8. BUF: Bruce Irvin OLB/DE 9. MIA: Kevin Zeitler G 10. CHI(v/CAR): Amini Silatolu G 11. KC: Orson Charles TE 12. SEA: Brock Osweiler QB 13. PHI: Antonio Allen S 14. NYJ: Chase Thomas OLB 15. OAK:************************ 16. SD: Andrew Datko T 17. CHI: Sean Spence OLB 18. ARZ: T.Y. Hilton WR 19. DAL: Ryan Miller G 20. TEN: Aaron Henry S 21. CIN: Jordan White WR 22. ATL: Jonathan Massaquoi DE/OLB 23. DET: Brandon Boykin CB 24. PIT: Lucas Nix G/T 25. DEN: Doug Martin RB 26. HOU: Audie Cole ILB 27. NO: Travis Lewis OLB 28. GB: Senio Kelemete G 29. NYG: Keenan Robinson OLB 30. BAL: Brian Quick WR 31. NE: Derek Wolfe DE/DT 32. SF: Brandon Lindsay OLB/DE |
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Not bad for the Chiefs
Rather take a shot at Datko in the 3rd though, or Sanders in the 2nd
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
i would say this is fantastic for KC
great value and need on all 3 picks… RT is still an issue, though
by stagdsp on Jan 19, 2012 6:15 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Yeah I would have a very hard time passing Sanders or Adams in the second
I like Hightower.. but we could possibly solve the Oline for many many years which is a big thing considering the Qb situation.
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 19, 2012 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
not even sure how you are trying to compare talent
Hightower is so much more talented at his position than Adams or Sanders at theirs that I find it comedic you would advocate passing on Hightower for one of those guys.
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Considering how bad our RT situation is, and how often we run subpackages that would still likely
take Hightower off the field, in favor of another CB/S?
As I said I like Hightower and would love to snag him, just don’t see SILB a bigger need than OT.
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 20, 2012 6:51 AM EST up reply actions
classic value-vs-need question
by stagdsp on Jan 20, 2012 1:19 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
in the mid 2nd I think I still go value
Also a need tho. Upgrade over belcher, who is a RFA I believe. And in Alabamas defense, Hightower would get into a 3 point stance on the d-line and rush the QB. So at this point you don’t know for sure if he would be taken out on 3rd down. Also, Hightower blows people up better than anyone in this class, and its not very close.
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by King of the Cassel on Jan 20, 2012 1:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
We could possibly change the subpacakges but at this point
We always take out the SILB/base Dlinemen for an extra CB/S and interior pass rushers, and then we send Hali/Houston(this year) with Gilberry/Bailey(this year). We would still likely use the same subpackages, which DJ covers the TE/RBs, Dbs match up elsewhere and we send 4 or Blitz..
Hightower is a good talent, I just can not put him over a RT upgrade in Sanders or Adams
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 20, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
we're not drafting Dre
I would, but I know that Gene won’t b/c of the trouble he got into a couple of days ago.
Can't stand the truth?
Hate to say it
but that is just flat out not true. One arrest for weed possession is not going to be enough to totally eliminate him from contention for the pick, and he is just too good to pass at that point.
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Ummm, yea... stick a fork in him...
If the weed arrest happens in his freshman year maybe and hes a good boy there after he would have a chance.
But the moron did it last week.. He isn’t going to get picked by the Jags unless he drops into the later rounds. That won’t happen either.
I 100% disagree
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no, you obviously can't respect a guy's opinion
although I doubt Gene drafts him, unless there is an amazing interview, I, personally, would select him anyway.
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by rhettchrystal on Jan 19, 2012 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
I actually do
one possession charge will not be enough to drop him so much that he is not BAP at that point.
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When did u start being a Jags fan?
No matter how good you are, Gene doesn’t draft players with sketchy pasts. He picks BAP according to his draft board.
Can't stand the truth?
first of all 1999
second of all, I would not consider one marijuana possession a sketchy past. The guy has a lot of talent and prior to his weed arrest was almost definitely near BAP at 7. If he interviews well, I am not sure he suddenly drops off Gene’s board to the point that he is not the pick. It is that simple. In the past, I would not go so far as to say Gene explicitly passed on a better talent due to a drug charge. So, I think it is still totally possible that he sticks to his board and takes Kirkpatrick.
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I can see the Browns being a better spot for Washington to swap to, and then Cleveland trading that spot to you guys. Since this is a deep draft for WR, and we need as many picks as possible, Getting Blackmon for a second round pick is a small price to pay for the Top WR in the draft.
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Fantastic Eagles Draft
Got the big WR, both LBs and a Safety perfect draft. Nice Work Rec’d for how good it was.
Jets
I’d be pretty happy with this draft, the picks fill all of the immediate needs, I’m not too high on Barron but Safety is a huge need and he’s probably the best one out there, Adams would be great value that late in the 2nd and I like him at RT.
As a Bronco fan, if Still is still available at 25
I would be ecstatic. Martin in 3rd makes me happy also. Don’t know who 2nd rd guy is, so I will take your word that he is good pick.
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I'd rather go with David Wilson at #2, thogh.
Devon Still is a great pick, though. WR is a luxury pick which I think we address later. If Eddie Royal leaves, that may change.
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As a Jets fan I started to get ready to rage over the idea of Barron at 16
But getting a quality RT in Mike Adams makes up for it.
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Barron at 16 STINKS. Not with Floyd, Perry and Ingram sitting there. Thats nuts.
Agree
Need cannot trump player value. As much as I like Barron, a safety has to have crazy abilities to go that high. Earl Thomas I could justify that high. Not Barron.
2012 NYG mock - 1: Chase Minnifield CB, 2: Kevin Zeitler G, 3: A.J. Jenkins, WR, 4: Neiko Thorpe S, 5: Brandon Bolden RB, 6: Rishard Matthews WR, 6: some random LB, 7: BPA
Ya I hate Barron at 16.
Just because he’s the best safety, doesn’t mean he’s a first rounder. Such a reach.
Good mock for New Orleans...
Can’t disagree at all with the picks. Both are good players at an area of need.
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Giants.
I like the thinking, but I don’t see us going OLB twice. If we go LB, its for a SAM or MIKE, not WILL. We have Michael Boley and little known rookie phenom Jacquian Williams at WILL. So I don’t see us going for Zach Brown, though the potential is there simply because he’s an athletic specimen.
I don’t mind the pick at all, but I’d take Minniefield, Lamar Miller, Sanu, or Kendall Wright in the 1st.
I like the 2nd round pick. We need tackles, and Sanders’ stock is rising…nicely done. Brewster would work as well, though C isn’t as large of a need.
3rd rounder, I really like Keenan Robinson, he’s a little tenative, but the dude is fast for being, what 240-245 lbs. He’d work as our SAM. Another great pick if we don’t get Zach Brown in the 1st.
So all in all, very well done in my humble opinion. Just change Zach Brown to any of the other prospects I listed, and its about as close to a perfect mock for them as you can get.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 19, 2012 4:59 PM EST reply actions
Let it be known
I did not realize i went OLB with them in the first. Things would be different if i realized that.
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It's all good. You know the Giants well.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 19, 2012 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
well as a NY-er
I would sure hope I do.
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Brown is a BPA type pick
sure Boley looks good, Williams should be a player, but BPA is what it means. Brown is potentially an elite talent there, I think you add to that position given how important its shown to be…and shutting down TEs lately has contributed a lot to this run.
Two OLBs is a no go tho. I really like Keenan Robinson so either or really would be fine.
I’d still take Dwayne Allen in the first.
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Depends on the Giants' big board. If they have
Zach Brown and I don’t know, Chase Minnifield in the same neighborhood, I want to say they go Chase due to free agency considerations. But yeah, if it’s BPA, it’ll be the pick.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 19, 2012 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
Giants and LBs
The problem is the LB need is knowingly created. The Giants have lesser linebackers on purpose. We do not value the position. That is why we have never had good linebackers in the 4-3, it’s not a recent phenomenon. Well, we had Armstead, but he was a 9th round pick or something like that.
Zebrie Sanders is a wimp. He’s 300 lbs. with equipment on. I watched him in his bowl game, where he was on the left side, and the RDE was pushing him back every play.
2012 NYG mock - 1: Chase Minnifield CB, 2: Kevin Zeitler G, 3: A.J. Jenkins, WR, 4: Neiko Thorpe S, 5: Brandon Bolden RB, 6: Rishard Matthews WR, 6: some random LB, 7: BPA
He certainly isn't the strongest of prospects, I'll give you that...but the dude was very good in pass pro.
In fact, he reminds me of Will Beatty.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 20, 2012 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
Beatty was the opposite
dude was paving the way for Donald Brown of all people to 2000 yards in one season.
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by Rorschach44 on Jan 20, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
not Beatty the prospect, Beatty this year.
Beatty showed pretty good footwork with his shuffle and punch in pass protection, but I didn’t see him push anyone back. He was one of the problems with our running attack last year.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 20, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Steelers
I like it, even though I would take Burfict in the first instead of any NT (since, imo, none of them are worth a first round pick). I love the McClellin pick, though, because that kid is very underrated and could turn out to be a huge steal for us, even if OLB isn’t a big need.
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by kevio3000 on Jan 19, 2012 5:16 PM EST via Android app reply actions
I definitely do not agree on that one
Kalil is an enormous talent for a team like St. Louis to just pass on. Big money invested in Bradford, and I do not think they pass up this opportunity to get a guy like Kalil to protect that investment.
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by Jagsrok9008 on Jan 19, 2012 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
I see them trading the pick
too many holes to fill. more picks would be better imo, although I’ll be ok with Kalil or Blackmon as well. also worth noting that Jeff Fisher has never drafted an OT first round
by ECURam87 on Jan 20, 2012 8:32 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
For the Redskins
I think this would be an excellent draft, I don’t think that CB is as big of a need as many but Jenkins is in IMO extremely talent & would be a great value at 21. Really like the DeCastro & Tannehill picks. I am not convinced that St. Louis gives up Kalil to get extra picks either, I think he is a rare & elite talent & that they need to protect their investment in Bradford. Nice job on your mock, good picks & very good analysis
I would not like this draft for the Cowboys.
Admittedly, you did a good job of addressing needs, but I think you slotted us players over where they probably should be taken.
If I had to rework it to make it ideal, it would look more like this:
1st Round – Brockers
2nd Round – Branch
3rd Round – Boykin
or
1st Round – Perry/Ingram
2nd Round – Brandon Washington or Markelle Martin
3rd Round – Boykin
or
1st Round – Janoris Jenkins
2nd Round – Brandon Washington
3rd Round – Massaquoi
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
different big boards is your issue
Brockers would be too high IMO for the 1st round pick. I have doubts about Branch in a 3-4. as for Jenkins, it is a matter of opinion. I have Dennard as the better CB so he is the pick over Jenkins
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Packers
Can’t complain with the first pick with seeing how the board fell out. Kind of wished that one of the top 34 OLB fell to us, but I’m not gonna complain with Brockers being there. In a few years every one else will be kicking themselves for not taking him.
For the second round, based off some quick research isn’t that really high for Frank Alexander? There’s a few options that I would go there. I like Brewster, but I think that is higher than where the Pack would take him, so pass there. Trumaine Johnson is interesting, but again I don’t think the Pack likes his value there. Bruce Irvin or Chase Thomas are good picks there for us, even if as a fan I don’t like Irvin.
Irvin is a possibility but I think Alexander is going to be the better player
As for Thomas, he is pretty small IMO to be very effective. If he could bulk up at least 15 pounds, then he is a very good option and will be much higher in my eyes, but right now he is like 240 and for a 3-4 OLB I would be a bit nervous.
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Bills
I know it is nitpicking a little bit, but I prefer Toon to McNutt. Otherwise I would be thrilled if it shook out like that, with Irvin falling to us in the 3rd.
Giants draft is pretty good.
Idk about the two LB’s like the other guys stated, so I’d probably want either Sanu or Dwayne Allen in the first. Preferably Allen. Sanders in the second is great, sets us up nicely at RT, and if Baas can get it together, we have a pretty solid O-Line again. Robinson in the third just adds to the talented young LB’s we already have, and creates awesome competition.
Browns
I really wouldn’t hate this draft, though it all depends on what the front office can do in free agency. Clevelands got a ton of cash that they’ve got to spend. WR, LB, CB, O line, DE all get addressed through free agency. then add in the draft, clevelands suddenly got talent and depth.
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not a fan of this draft
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Jan 19, 2012 7:57 PM EST reply actions
because.....
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by Jagsrok9008 on Jan 19, 2012 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
just dont value a lot of the players as highly as u do,
and Ofcourse Sanu was like ur 5th WR taken
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Jan 20, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
fair enough
you are entitled to you opinion. to be very honest, I have Sanu ranked higher but D. Jones was basically given to Houston because the Texans fans said that would likely be the case for a bunch of reasons. Other than that, I do believe Blackmon and Jeffery and Wright and Floyd are the better prospects
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disagree, i guess u can say a few of them will be better prospects and all.
but i feel sanu will be looked at as the best WR in the class, kinda like nicks was in the 09 class
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Jan 21, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
Bucs- I like the Sanu pick but it would be controversial on the team to say the least. Like the 3rd rd pick too
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It is a crazy pick, but not bad crazy
In this mock he’s a first round talent that slipped, that’s exactly the kind of player I want to take at that spot. Although Lamar Miller is pretty tempting too at that spot.
Cardinals
For some reason, i’m still not sold on Rieff. The way your draft went, Rieff would have to be the pick, but i can’t shake this bad feeling I have about him. Personally, i really like Mercilus and Upshaw, but seeing as both those guys are gone Rieff becomes even more likely to be picked. I like Rieff’s upside, and would be happy to have him though, he just worries me
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i will literally poop my wants with joy if reiff falls to the cards
I think he will be a great player and will anchor the left side for years. I just hope he lasts to 13
by CardsDefense on Jan 21, 2012 4:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Panthers
i hate it. i can personally guarantee you that we wont take a OT in the first. Gross is still an elite LT and Otah is VERY good when healthy and the FO is very confident that he will return healthy next year. Gilmore is a reach in the 2nd, i would rather have FS Martin at that spot
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Seahawks
This is easily one of the best drafts for Seattle that I have seen. While we would all love a ballsy trade up for RG3, it probably won’t happen.
What you have here is more realistic and very enticing.
The only thing I might see different is trading down in the second for an extra 3rd, with Cincy maybe if they want Polk… still getting Osweilier in the third, and the RB, and a rushing OLB. But I’m kind of a dreamer.
Not Liking The Jags 1st Round Pick
We all know how Gene wants guys who are mature and DON’T SMOKE WEED!!! I know you have a thing for Kirkpatrick, but it is unlikely that we will pick him up. Also, I don’t think Mercilus and Perry will be picked before Coples, and if Dwight Jones is picked before Kendall Wright, and you talk about Jeffery being a reach at 7. 9 seems like a reach for Jeffery so you don’t make sense when you talk $H1T on other peoples drafts!!!
Coples = next big bust at DE in the NFL
Mercilus and Perry are going to be better overall DEs in this league, so they will more than likely in my opinion be higher picks. Coples is going to probably be an excellent 3-4 DE in this league, but he is going to be drafted by a 4-3 team looking for a big pass rush, and that just won’t happen at the NFL level.
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by Jagsrok9008 on Jan 20, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed
Coples would go to Dallas at 14 if available and DeCastro and Kirkpatrick were off the board.
that is what he should be
the guy lacks the speed at the next level to be an effective pass rusher. so he is going to be a 280 pound guy who will be a really phenomenal run stopper in the NFL.
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I would agree
but Texans fans indicated on my previous mock that Jones is a perfect fit for their offense.
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by Jagsrok9008 on Jan 20, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
I hope you don't have any loaded guns in the house
Wright doesn’t deserve to be picked ahead of Jones.
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by Rorschach44 on Jan 20, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
Lol
I thought that was weird too. 7 is a reach but 9 isn’t?
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Jan 20, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
i used a BAP/need appraoch
Jeffery was not the pick at 7 but he was at 9. It is as simple as that
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by Jagsrok9008 on Jan 20, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
It makes no sense that he is a reach at 7 but not at 9
thats all im saying
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Jan 20, 2012 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
well
when using a need/BAP fusion approach to drafting there might be an occasional reach. I will lay it out like this. I have Jeffery hovering in the 10-15 range. from a pure BAP standpoint he is pretty much a reach at 7 and 9, but if you look at it from a standpoint of need and BAP and he is a viable option at either pick although I personally would be upset to see him go at 7 to the jags,
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I went over this above(which I doubt you read)
but I honestly feel that with a good interview, Kirkpatrick’s one incident w/ weed is not going to be enough to make gene “reach” for another player. He is the BAP plain and simple, and Gene is going to draft BAP.
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by Jagsrok9008 on Jan 20, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
I think your pick order is wrong.
How to the Eagles picks in each round keep shifting. The order should be 13-Arizona, 14-Cowboys, 15-Eagles in each round, but you have it moving.
If they all had the same record the picks rotate
not sure if they did or not but thats usually how that works
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Jan 20, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
ask walterfootball
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by Jagsrok9008 on Jan 20, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Ravens
One of the best drafts I have seen for us. Burfict is still my dream scenario in round 1. With Birk retiring more than likely I think we sign Gurode to another 1 or 2 year deal and then Brewster could step in right after. Quick finally would give us a receiver with some size and another guy to match with Torrey who could make plays down the field. Awesome draft.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
Bengals
Sooo… no no… not pissed, a little perturbed maybe… haha (jk). I think we’ll be fine sitting with two first round picks, especially with a certain Lamar Miller sitting around for pick 21. We have a big need at CB and G, so I doubt we will pass up an opportunity to get either or in the first round
My question in: Why move up to 6th spot if they want Richardson?
The first team that’s somewhat likely to take a stab at Richardson is Kansas City. Jacksonville, Carolina, Minnesota and Buffalo are very unlikely to go after Richardson. Minnesota would love to have an extra pick in the draft. Why not trade with them for less?
by Animal_Like_Football on Jan 20, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
to be honest
it was more of Washington ot having anyone they really want so they look to trade down and then cincy agrees. not cincy looking to trade up specifically.
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by Jagsrok9008 on Jan 20, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
Mike Brown's probably too cheap to pull the trigger on this one.
Trades need to be beneficial to both parties, and I don’t see the Bengals looking to trade up all the way to the 6th spot. Maybe the 10th spot to get in front of KC and Seattle, but no higher than that.
I like the idea of getting Richardson, but this seems like a pretty deep draft for RBs. The Bengals can afford to be patient.
by Animal_Like_Football on Jan 20, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
No Way Bengals Go up that high
Unless the Bengals are going to package OAK’s 1st with a 3rd to move up to get DeCastro then yeah, but for a RB we can wait
Jags
Don’t like the first rounder for obvious reasons, I like Curry in the 2nd and which Chris Givens did you mean? There is one from Miami (Ohio) and one from Wake Forest.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Jan 20, 2012 10:15 AM EST reply actions
Wake Forest
and I really do not understand why one encounter with weed suddenly makes Kirkpatrick an undesirable pick. Get him into a good locker room with good influences and I would not be all that worried about repeat offenses. The guy has an enormous amount of talent, and it would actually be bordering on irresponsible for Gene to pass on him for this one offense.
If the dude killed someone, that would be something else, but one arrest for possession of weed should not be enough of a deterrent.
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by Jagsrok9008 on Jan 20, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
That wasn't the obvious reason.
I was talking about my preference of Jeffery over Kirkpatrick. And he isn’t that good that it would be irresponsible to pass on him.
I think I like Givens, he kinda seems like a poor man’s Kendall Wright.
But on the weed thing, I personally don’t think its a big deal and it wouldn’t stop me from drafting him if I was the GM and thought he was the best player but I’m not, Smith is, and even though its not a big deal to you or me, it is for him and the timing is only going to make it worse,
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Jan 20, 2012 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
From a Cards fan perspective I love getting Reiff but...
Do you actually think Martin goes over him? I know most analyst have Reiff ranked ahead of Martin.
I think Martin is the better prospect
simple as that.
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by Jagsrok9008 on Jan 20, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
I like the Texans draft, but I can see them drafting a guard in the 3rd instead of an ILB
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
Vikings
You targeted the right positions, and I applaud the effort to get an additional pick, but I hate the picks.
Using the same logic, I would rather go Oline in round 1 (Reiff or DeCastro). There’s much more of a drop off at OLine than there is at WR in this draft.
Round 2 I would draft Stephen Gilmore over Hosely and take Nick Toon, who I think will be every bit the possession receiver that Jeffrey will be. I might even be tempted to take 2 DBs, Gilmore and Markelle Martin or Casey Hayward.
Round 3, with Oline addressed, now we can look at defensive line or LB. If we went 2 DBs in round 2, we can also look for a WR in round 3. I would be happy with Jordan White, Derek Wolfe or Travis Lewis.
So redraft:
1st—Riley Reiff
2nd—Stephen Gilmore
2nd—Markelle Martin/Hayward/Toon/Tamu
3rd—White/Wolfe/Lewis
"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen
I thought about Zeitler as an alternative pick
Thing is, if the Vikes do draft an OT and C. Johnson kicks inside to guard, it’s pretty crowded over there, not that we couldn’t use the help…
"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen
Dennard to the Boys at 14????
Well known that Dallas needs a CB but Dennard is not a top 20 player. If DeCastro isn’t available, based on your current available at 14, Dallas would take Coples as they need a serious upgrade on the DL and more pressure up the middle.
If available at 14 Dallas should take Kilpatrick as their first choice followed by DeCastro, then Coples. If none are available at 14 then they move down or take the best OLB. Probably Whitney Mercilus or Melvin Ingram. One of those 5 more worth their value at 14 than Dennard.
Don’t get me wrong. Dennard is good, but he is late first good. Jenkins is better even with the off field issues.
+1
I’d take Brockers over QC. I see Dallas resigning ALmost Anthony and adding beef to that line. Too often AA would have had a sack if the pocket had been collapsed. I’d like to see them trade down for an extra 2 or third and pick up
1) Poe DT
2) Gilmore CB
P 2) D. Allen TE ( I kno but with an extra pick why not get the best TE in the draft)
3) R. Lester FS
P 3) P. Blake C
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by mho on Jan 23, 2012 2:09 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Broncos
Good draft picks and value. I’d probably pick Zebrie Sanders over Stephen Hill in the 2nd round. Protecting the blindside of a lefty passer like Tebow is a more immediate value position than a WR who will take time to transition and Sanders is a BPA too. Even if we go with a different QB than Tebow in 2013, the game v the Pats showed how little depth we have at o-line and that Franklin is more a OG than an OT. And a deep o-line will help our running game too.
Saints
I just had to change my pants. That’s how good this draft would be.
Mark Ingram-OROY
Cam Jordan-DROY
New Orleans Saints-2012 Super Bowl Champs
TOP IS GAWD!
no way does
1) Brockers fall all the way to GB
2) Dallas lets Brockers fall past them
3) Dallas does not take Denard with much better talent still available!
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by mho on Jan 23, 2012 1:42 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Cardinals take another small school WR
Not sure how comfortable I am with that. Andre Roberts hasn’t been impressive. If he were there wouldn’t be a perceived need for another in the first place. As for Reiff, OT seems like a no brainer for the first round.




















