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10 players I hate more than you

1. Ryan Tannehill: I believe Tannehill will be a first round pick, and feel this is a mistake. 16 career starts at Quarterback, and I really don't count his starts a WR. It's not the same as a DB who played CB as a fresh/soph, and then moved to safety. QB is the most important on a NFL team, and college football is the NFL's minor league. QBs need as much time (experience) in the minor leagues as possible. Cam Newton is the exception, not the only exception, but one of the very few exceptions to the Rule of 26-27-60 (helps predict NFL quarterback success or failure, based on -among other things- QB starts in college). Tannehill's ceiling is somewhere along the lines of Tony Romo/Jake Plummer, but his floor could be much lower.

2. Kendall Wright: I have posted this already: http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2012/1/20/2721413/kendall-wright-does-size-matter ?

Dan’s buddies at www.newerascouting.com begins their analysis of Wright like this :

"By today’s wide receiver standards, it is very rare to be less than six feet tall and a first-round draft pick. During the last decade, there were 41 wide receivers drafted in the first-round, and only six of those players were shorter than six feet. NFL scouts and coaches have an infatuation with height at the wide receiver position, and will usually give the edge to a taller wide receiver if he performs similarly in other areas."

Is this four-year starter worthy of being selected in the first round? They conclude yes, Wright "is worthy of being one of the rare first-round selections of a WR under six feet tall."

I study draft history and tendencies quite a bit, and I agree with their analysis, but not their conclusion.

IMO Kendall Wright will NOT be a first round draft choice.

Speaking of size...

3. Janoris Jenkins: If Jenkins is drafted in the first round, he will be the first CB under 5-10 drafted in the first since before 2000.

Now, some NFL.com may have rounded up on a few, but every CB drafted in the first round since 2000 (that is as far back as I went) has been listed 5-10 or taller.

Jenkins is very, very close to that magic number, and additionally one could argue Brandon Flowers should have been drafted in the first.

I am not saying he can’t be a great player, I am just recognizing that the NFL does frequently follow sterotypes, and personally, I will continue to keep Jenkins outside of my 1st round.

4. Alfonzo Dennard: As I have mentioned here http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2012/1/20/2721318/for-those-about-to-mock-we-salute-you-2012-edition Last year, I stated that Brandon Harris was one of my 16 guaranteed to be drafted in the first round, ignoring his poor performance against the much larger Michael Floyd in the bowl game. This year Dennard was exposed in a similar fashion by the much larger Alshon Jeffery.

5. Mark Barron: Way before his double-hernia surgery, I have been preaching Barron as a high second, but not a first round pick. I have stated before that although "the NFL is looking for safeties capable of matching up against the Jimmy Smiths and Gronks of the modern NFL......Barron is not one of those safeties" Well coached, disciplined, and has played with and against alot of NFL quality players, but he just isn't the "freak" it takes to match up with Gronk n Jimmy.

6. Dontari Poe: It's not that I don't like Poe, as much as I like Alameda Ta'amu better, and If I had to get a NT, I would rather see if I could get Josh Chapman somewhere between picks 55 and 70, who played with a torn ACL for the last eight games of the 2011 season.

7. Luke Kuechly: Only once in the last 10 years has more than one ILB been a first round pick (except for position switches later in a career), and recently Rey Maualuga, James Laurinaitis, Paul Posluszny, and Brandon Spikes (among others) have all found themselves in the second round. For as great as Kuechly has been, Laurinaitis and Posluszny were nearly his equal. I don't believe I have seen a mock draft without Kuechly in the first round. I guess mine will ge the first?

8. Donta Hightower: Again, it is rare to see more than one ILB go in the first round, but more importantly, Hightower is slow. We have read this book before, and Brandon Spikes and Maualuga entered their senior years with a higher grade than Hightower.

9. Brandon Weeden: Once again, we have read this book before (Chris Weinke 4167 yards as a senior) = 4th round

Maybe I don't hate him more than you, since 65% of you said you would not spend a first or second round pick on him: http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2012/1/25/2731811/2012-senior-bowl-brandon-weeden-looks-sharp-but-does-it-matter Here was my quote: "lets take Chad Henne…..below average NFL QB, now lets send him back to college, replace Geno Smith at WVU with Chad Henne. The man might break every record there is"

It is almost an unfair advantage to have a 26-28 year old QB playing in college, his maturity/discipline coupled with one of the best offensive systems has lead me to doubt not only Weeden, but also....

10. Justin Blackmon: I called him the most overrated prospect in the draft, http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2012/1/17/2713736/most-overrated-draft-prospect-justin-blackmon since he was commonly mocked to be drafted by the Rams with the second pick. But I do feel like he is the best WR in THIS draft, just not in the same class as Fitzgerald, Calvin and Andre Johnson, or AJ Green and Julio. He is a very good player, however he is benefiting from the Dana Holgorson/Mike Gundy offense, and having a 28 year old quarterback.

Blackmon is the only one on my hate list that I still have as a first round pick, and I would take him in the top 12 for sure, perhaps top 6-10 if he runs faster than expected, but not top 5.

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my issue with Wright is situational football

when you start to get close and in the red zone those physical match ups dominate. The smaller recievers don’t have that big of a impact. As great as Steve Smith is he disappears once you are goal to go.

Wright would be a nice addtion as a robin to a big recievers “batman”.

by Shankdiddy on Feb 12, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I could see him in Arizona across from Fitzgerald

Definitely do not see him as a Texan though. I have serious doubts of his blocking skills in a run heavy based offense

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by The Night Owl on Feb 12, 2012 11:18 PM EST up reply actions  

sound reasoning, having him opposite Fitzgerald, certainly a different skill set

However, the question is wouldn’t you rather use that first round pick on the Oline, and your second round pick on D
then pick up Jarrius Wright in the 3rd or 4th round. I just don’t see the value in K Wright in the 1st, when you could have J. Wright somewhere around 70-100 ish.

Kendall certainly had better stats (108 receptions for 1663 yds, and 14 TDs) , but keep in mind Jarius (66, 1117, 12 TDs) had to share the ball with Joe Adams (among others) who had 54 catches.

by durst on Feb 13, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I say that just from a systematic fit

I’m not projecting him going to Arizona

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by The Night Owl on Feb 13, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

He'd be a great compliment to AJ Green in Cincy

But the Batman/Robin thing has a little different connotation there.

by Animal_Like_Football on Feb 13, 2012 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I just mean that bigger recievers aren't as limited in the red zone

And so now you simply can’t run certain plays with him and may even be taken out of the game completely in close.

by Shankdiddy on Feb 13, 2012 1:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly, we have our batman (AJ Green) so Wright would make a great Robin

I was just pointing out that Ochocinco and T.O. referred to themselves as Batman and Robin back in 2010. So that particular analogy might give Bengals fans (like myself) a little indigestion.

by Animal_Like_Football on Feb 13, 2012 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Interesting

I think that the draft history that you based your viewpoints upon is going to change. With the new salary rules it will be more likely that teams will take a chance on some players because they will be making less money. At least in the top 10 for sure.

So I believe some new history has begun. The way the QBs came off the board last year could be repeated this year. Seattle is a prime candidate to take a stab at Tannehill in the first.

DeCastro and Glenn although not on your list could also go higher than past history showed.

by MarkSP18 on Feb 12, 2012 9:47 PM EST reply actions  

To be fair on the subject of Mark Barron

The safety that can cover Rob Gronkowski and Jimmy Graham (who is 6’6 to 6’7) will probably be a sure-fire HOF. The safety needs to be even more athletic than both those tight ends and tall.

I know this sounds like I’m being a homer but if Kenny Tate hadn’t been moved to linebacker, he would have been the kind of safety that GMs were looking for to cover these huge tight ends.

That said, he did get moved, he did get injured, and any hope he had of being a first round pick went down the drain the moment Randy Edsall and Todd Bradford were hired.

by terpfan812 on Feb 12, 2012 10:02 PM EST reply actions  

Barron isn't good at man-coverage in general

and could easily be considered a benefactor of the talent around him in building his own stock.

It is what it is

by Middlesex on Feb 12, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I have a feeling,
and could easily be considered a benefactor of the talent around him in building his own stock.

I have a feeling that that is true about a handful of Bama and LSU guys. Hightower seems to me like a slow player whos slowness is hid by the speed and power of his teammates. Upshaw is a bit overrated in my opinion as well, besides the fact that he’s really versatile. Tyrann Matheiu isn’t in this draft, but he’s overrated because Claiborne guards the opponents’ top receiver. Alot of CFB teams only have 1 really good receiver.

Tajh Boyd and Dre' Ellington are the future.
Brandon Jennings; Just keep waiting people.

by BlackPack-fan on Feb 13, 2012 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Thoughts

The reason Blackmon might go as high as those others is not necessarily that he is as good as them, but that there is simply not as much elite talent at the top to push him down.

That Weinke sucked was no surprise, every QB from the state of Florida around that time was a major bust. Maybe that’s why Spurrier can’t recruit a decent one now and he is forced to run a ground-based offense. Henne was way overdrafted as well. Weeden is not a 1st, but he is a better QB than those two.

Every year people push up the 3 college guys they heard of big enough to play NT. Cam Thomas was commonly a 2nd rounder here.

The mocks here rate need over talent. That’s why NT, ILB, and S get pushed up. Just because Barron is the top safety does not make him a 1st, I can’t believe it when I see him going to the Jets. We should spend more time here debating big boards instead of mocks, but big boards generate little interest. I am also guilty of looking solely at my own team’s draft a lot; I wish I had more time to look at every pick.

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by ct17 on Feb 12, 2012 10:09 PM EST reply actions  

i get concerned that blackmon reminds me of Peter warrick ....

in the sense that he was a good college reciever playing with a mature 28 year old quarterback that trusted his arm. And in a wide open offensive concepts like both of these teams those recievvers played on..there are tons of stat padding opportinuties.

I just find myself looking for a “wow” play from blackmon. I see alot of good plays. But not alot verse tough coverage or in a crowd. Too me seems like Hakeem Nicks type player is his ceiling and so you have to ask yourself is Hakeem Nicks worth a top 10 pick. If so then sure.

by Shankdiddy on Feb 13, 2012 7:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Most Giants fans would have no problem taking Nicks in the Top 10

Especially after watching his performance in the playoffs. There are not many 6-1 guys as physical as him, and not many 4.65 40- guys that can take a short pass to the house. But it appararently makes sense to test players without pads.

Warrick was a joke as a 1st round pick. Nicks is a better comparison. But I also think the lack of elite D-line talent is messing up 1st round player values this year.

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by ct17 on Feb 13, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Testing players without pads is still good for weeding out the true freak athletes.

If a guy is projected to run a 4.8 and he runs a 4.7, that doesn’t excite me. But when a guy runs in the 4.3’s, I’m watching him.

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by sexsalad on Feb 13, 2012 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree with sentiment, not argument

First, because the answer is absolutely yes I would use a top10 pick on Hakeem Nicks. But Nicks was a human highlight reel in college. Remember that NUTS behind the back/around the body/grab/TD run?

Blackmon reminds me a bit more of Michael Crabtree. A good player, but perhaps never going to be a great one. A first round talent, probably… but in a better WR year not in the top 10. Certainly not close to Green, Jones, Megatron, etc.

by invisibulman on Feb 13, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed on Blackmon

I think he’s a great prospect and will be a good WR. But his stock is being sucked upward from the vacuum of top tier talent, rather than being pushed down.

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by dbcouver on Feb 13, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, I like these posts that you do

It’s a good change-of-pace from the normal stuff we see here. Player evaluation instead of team need evaluation.

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by ct17 on Feb 12, 2012 10:11 PM EST reply actions  

40 Time, not so much

I think the other drills will affect him more

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by The Night Owl on Feb 12, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Aaron Rodgers only had
21 college starts.

Alot of people use the terms one year wonder or lack of starts. And that can be a valid concern. But overall it shows a lack of evaluating a players skill sets. Some players volume of experience will vary. It doesn’t always outline how good they will be or how how high their ceiling is… it is just draft fear talk.

The talk prior too the draft was that Aaron Rodgers could go number 1 but then once he didn’t he slipped in the draft…. example of “group thinking”.

by Shankdiddy on Feb 13, 2012 7:31 AM EST up reply actions  

JPP started like, 16 games in college

But you’re right, his tremendously high ceiling is what got him drafted at #15 by the Giants. It was those damn back flips man.

by #56 4life on Feb 15, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

5 prospects I hate more than the OP

1.Alshon Jeffrey: Big slow and sloppy, the second coming of Detroit era Mike Williams.

2.Ryan Tannehill: He’s an ok QB prospect, but I’m not really buying into his first round hype.

3.Rile Reiff, he’s got quick feet,but I don’t think he’s strong enough, or heavy handed enough to be an effective day 1 starter. Needs to put on some weight as well.

4.David DeCastro:Mike Lupati, and Brandon Albert were much better guard prospects, so everyone needs to calm down with the hype.

5.Jonathon Martin: Another absurdly overrated OT prospect. He’s another finesse guy, who is going to get over drafted because of his school.

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by mob16151 on Feb 13, 2012 5:19 AM EST reply actions  

Have you watched DeCastro at all? That guy is amazing.

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by d-jackfan10 on Feb 13, 2012 8:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I have

And Albert and Lupati were both much better prospects. DeCastro is more of a Pouncey type. Thats not bad, it’s just not worth all the hyperbole

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by mob16151 on Feb 13, 2012 8:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I disagree to say the least.

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by d-jackfan10 on Feb 13, 2012 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Didn’t you also say Adams was better than Reiff?

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by Riddlah. on Feb 13, 2012 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

yup

and stand by it

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by mob16151 on Feb 13, 2012 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Well you’re the only one (and for good reason).

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by Riddlah. on Feb 13, 2012 7:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Once again

no im not, and good to know your still a moron.

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by mob16151 on Feb 13, 2012 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

It's always funny when someone insults another person's intelligence with improper grammar.

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by Omaha Sun on Feb 13, 2012 8:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Your mom

Grammatically correct?

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by mob16151 on Feb 14, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Alshon Jeffrey: Big slow and sloppy, the second coming of Detroit era Mike Williams

Unlike Mike Williams he is willing to work. He maybe bigger but the combine will clear some of that up. But i see more Herman Moore than i see Mike Williams.. also Mike Williams sat on his couch for a year… he developed bad habits. So that senairo isn’t the same.

by Shankdiddy on Feb 13, 2012 7:28 AM EST reply actions  

We'll see

But I don’t expect Jeffrey to perform well at the combine.

Sidenote: By sloppy, I mean sloppy route runner, not physically sloppy

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by mob16151 on Feb 13, 2012 9:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I almost put Jeffery on this list, because I don't see him as a true #1, or anything close to Fitz, Calvin, ect...

….but I believe most people don’t see Jeffery as a top 10, but instead more of a top 20-25, and I am in agreement with that.
I think Alshon will be great in a Green Bay or New Orleans style offense where you spread the field with three and four WRs.
I see a comparison with Marques Colston, who although a 7th round pick, was a huge steal.

by durst on Feb 13, 2012 9:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I still think

Floyd,Sanu,and Blackmon(who is also overrated) are better prospects.

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by mob16151 on Feb 13, 2012 9:23 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree, those are my top 3 WRs.

If I had I had my heart set on a huge red-zone threat I would likely pick Toon in the 2nd, and I am not as down on Dwight Jones as many. (Criner may be have moved up to second round, where I am likely to pass)
however, I might take a flyer of Streeter or Stephen Hill around picks 75-100

by durst on Feb 13, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

I agreee as well

As a Bears fan I see Jeffrey pop up as our first rounder occasionally. I would rather take Floyd or Sanu. Otherwise I think I’d rather wait till later in the draft for somebody like Toon or McNutt.

I think it was and SI cover before the season that had Jeffrey on it, the dude looked fat and lazy and that was for a photoshoot.

by Wrecks Grossman on Feb 14, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I hope he drops to #26

I think he’d be a great replacement to Kevin Walter at the #2 WR for the Texans, he’d have Andre Johnson to mentor him, & he’d still likely be the #4 receiving option with the way the Texans pass the ball therefore he wouldn’t be under a ton of pressure to succeed early

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by The Night Owl on Feb 13, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I disagree about Tannehill, Jenkins, Kuechly, Wright and Barron.

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by d-jackfan10 on Feb 13, 2012 8:31 AM EST reply actions  

oh, ok, but don’t tell us why though.

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by Sparhawk on Feb 13, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

As an aside

Does anyone else get a 2008 feeling with this NFL draft class, when it comes to the OT’s? 1 great guy, 1 pretty good one, and some guys who get significantly overdrafted?

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by mob16151 on Feb 13, 2012 9:27 AM EST reply actions  

Yes

Although it depends who your pretty good guy is. Mine is Martin. Reiff is a leaner, always bent over, and gets himself bullrushed when he’s off-balance. Probably can be fixed. But to have him at #5 when Sherrod went #32 last year is a big change for similar ability.

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by ct17 on Feb 13, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Adams

is going to be the guy who turns out pretty good among the first round OT’s

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by mob16151 on Feb 13, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd agree that Adams is a LT or RT

Most mocks have him 16-32, and I think that is about right.

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by ct17 on Feb 13, 2012 9:06 PM EST up reply actions  

around this time last year people on MTD hated the Oline class

nobody thought a lineman was worth a top 10 pick, and everyone had Nate Soldier going to the Colts (in the second round)
I defended the first round class last year, and agree that this class may be slightly overrated

by durst on Feb 13, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

There were a lot of unknowns

Costanzo with run blocking, Sherrod with pass blocking, Solder in general, was Carimi athletic enough, Smith experienced enough, etc. Most of them had good combines to allay some of those fears.

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by ct17 on Feb 13, 2012 9:10 PM EST up reply actions  

The problem is that people are too critical of these tackles

If you listen to all the scouting reports then most of the tackles the last two years were considered better fits on the right side. OK. That is fair I suppose.

But then where are the left tackles? Teams have to put somebody there.

So, as a Vikings fan, I will take all you concerns to heart but still draft Martin, Reiff, or Kalil in the first round. These three have to be better than Charlie Johnson.

At some point some of these tackles are going to have to play on the left side. And they will not last until the second round because teams are always looking for someone to put over there that can be decent more often than not.

I am not too worried about some of the tackles. Coaching is what will make then better. Being able to spend 24/7 on football will help them too.

by MarkSP18 on Feb 13, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

This is exactly right

Every tackle is described as “probably right tackle only”. If you figure the analysts allow that 3 could play the left side each year, that means each one has to succeed and start for 11 years.

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by ct17 on Feb 14, 2012 10:15 PM EST up reply actions  

the expectations of LTs might be second only to QB

ask fans, and most will tell you that half the QBs in the NFL suck, essentially meaning there are only 16 people in the world who can play QB at a competent level.

That is the same case with LTs…..take the top 50 best athletes in the world that are approximately 6-4 to 6-8 and over 300 pounds, and 32 of them are left tackles, but they are still bashed by the fans for giving up one sack per sixty drop-backs.

by durst on Feb 15, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Looking at the last few drafts

Outside of Costanzo, who jumped in and day 1 started at LT? Davis,Bulaga,Solder,Vollmer,Smith, etc have all started out on the rightside.

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by mob16151 on Feb 15, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Im talking first and second round

btw.

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by mob16151 on Feb 15, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow you're right

That’s hatred in it’s purest form. What Tannehill ever do to you? lol

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by dbcouver on Feb 13, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

hahaha told ya!

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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 13, 2012 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Janoris Jenkins

I agree with most of your assessments but not Janoris Jenkins. Looking at the draft history at CB is pointless with the new NFL rules changes. Size doesn’t matter nearly as much with the new rules with bump and run type. You need a WR you can run. Shorter quick WRs like Wes Welker, DeSean Jackson and Mike Wallace are nightmares for defenses because they are faster than anyone on the field. Janoris Jenkins matches up well with these types.

Also Mark Barron’s stock will take a hit if he is injured, but if he can run at the combine and prove that he has a combination of speed and size (is a very tall S prospect), then defenses will picture using him against slot WRs and TEs.

Blackmon should go top 5 as well.

by dlc254 on Feb 13, 2012 2:04 PM EST reply actions  

Not a fair comparison as far as Henne and Weeden

Weeden played no football for several years. Probably more accurate to make that comparison to Drew Henson. Do you think Henson would have as much success if he was at WVU right now? Although I do agree that Weeden isn’t a top prospect. Just think that comparison is off a bit.

by fsucj2431 on Feb 13, 2012 5:02 PM EST reply actions  

I think Poe is kinda like Brockers

Other than position, they both have a huge upside but need development. I liked Brockers a lot for next year. I think he’s gonna be a great 3-4 DE, but not a quick contributor unless other guys draw doubles. Coples will contribute earlier, but Coples IMO doesn’t have the upside Brockers does. I like Poe as a 3-tech but I’m a Rams fan and easily impressed by size and strength.

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by dbcouver on Feb 13, 2012 5:05 PM EST reply actions  

and talent or any semblance of football-related skills.

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by Josh Wehrle on Feb 13, 2012 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Add Vinny Curry to the list.

Slow, no burst, terrible stance off the line, can’t use his hands, cannot cover, no pass rush moves….I could go on all day.

by JetKing55 on Feb 13, 2012 6:31 PM EST reply actions  

I disagree about Weeden

Weinke’s problem was accuracy, and scouts knew it…he was barely over 60% in college, and struggled with his accuracy in Carolina.

Weeden looks NFL-ready to me, and his numbers this season were arguably the most impressive in the country outside of RG3. As for the Chad Henne comparison… there has to be some kind of threshold where you say “okay, he’s 28, but his numbers were so good that I think he can get a good pick”. I’m not sure there are many NFL quarterbacks who would definitely throw for >4700 yards with 72% accuracy in a Big 12 season… that’s one of the elite QB seasons we’ve seen in recent years. And having one previous 28 year old fail means basically nothing, that’s the tiniest of tiny sample sizes.

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