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Brock Osweiler 2012 NFL Draft scouting report

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Brock Osweiler
6’7, 240 pounds | Quarterback | Arizona State

Accuracy: Osweiler has the arm strength to accurately place the ball in a tight window when he’s hitting his passes. The trouble is, Osweiler often throws off balance from his back foot losing accuracy. Accuracy was inconsistent throughout his junior season. Threw a lot of slant and swing passes showing good ball placement and touch. When on the move, Osweiler would often throw low.

Arm strength: Has an arm that is exceptionally strong, and maybe the strongest of any quarterback in the draft. He just didn't get to show it all the time in the Arizona State offense. Drives the ball well to the outside hash. Knows how to take some zip off his ball in the short passing game. Many quarterbacks with the same kind of big arm throw short passes too hard, making them hard to catch.

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Decision making: When the first read isn’t available, Osweiler tends to struggle finding the next option and will force throws. That’s the main reason why he needed more experience in college. He started just more than a year’s worth of games, and isn’t a very savvy player.

Field vision: Has made improvements reading defenses pre-snap as the 2011 season progressed. Benefited from predominantly lining up in the shotgun. Will lock on his targets too much, especially in the short and middle passing areas. Will need to learn how to manipulate safeties with his eyes. Does a nice job of changing his release point to fire the ball through an open area.

Mechanics: Has worked a lot to shorten up and quicken his delivery. Coming out of high school, Osweiler had a long release over the top windup. Before his junior season with the Sun Devils, he worked diligently to shorten his release. The three-quarters, Philip Rivers-style release was more successful for Osweiler, though it has lowered his release point. Because of his height, it’s not a major concern. He'll on occasion revert to his old motion, especially when he has to drive the ball deep.

It's difficult to fully judge Osweiler's footwork since he took few snaps from under center. Many long-limbed quarterbacks get tangled up on five-step drops and have to take their time. This is the biggest area of Osweiler's game that remains a question mark. Accuracy drops because he too often throws off his back foot.

Pocket awareness: Still learning line adjustments to better protect himself against blitzes. Clearly struggled in this area against Illinois. In that game, Osweiler was forced to forced to speed up his game, which led to some poor ball placement. Isn't a statue in the pocket. A former high school basketball player, Osweiler has nimble feet and is quick enough to elude pressure.

Final word: Including Baylor’s Robert Griffin III, no quarterback in the 2012 NFL Draft has as much potential and natural ability as Osweiler. He’s a tall, strong-armed athletic passer with a quick release and a lot of room to grow. What keeps Osweiler from being an elite-level quarterback prospect is a lack of experience and some accuracy issues. It’s concerning that Osweiler didn’t take a hold of Arizona State’s quarterback job until the latter part of the 2010 season. Because of his lack of experience, he has some technical flaws and often works just the first read. With the right coaching and enough reps, though, Osweiler could develop into a very good NFL quarterback.

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Todd McShay says this guy is a 1st-rounder.

Put that together with McShay’s love of Blaine Gabbert last year, and Todd’s QB judging credibility sinks to a new low.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 14, 2012 12:15 PM EST reply actions  

So?

Rookie QBs are supposed to have adjustment time. And WRs to throw to. My stat I keep repeating this year – Peyton was 1-15 as a rookie.

Osweiler needs a lot of work. But a draft pick, especially a franchise QB, is an investment.

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by ct17 on Feb 14, 2012 4:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

My stat I keep repeating this year – Peyton was 1-15 as a rookie.

The Colts were 3-13 in P Manning’s rookie season.

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When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.

by Buffalo for Eternity on Feb 14, 2012 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Unless you are talking about Tebow haha

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 15, 2012 7:45 AM EST up reply actions  

That is my point

A couple QBs get the “He’s going to take a year or two to be ready” treatment. So what. Throw him out there to lose games. You’re going to stick with the old guy that got you to 5-11?

Everyone seems to be down on Gabbert because the Jags did not reach the promised land. With less than half of an offseason and few good receiving options, what did anyone expect? But yet we have discussions here on whether the Jags should draft another QB.

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by ct17 on Feb 15, 2012 11:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Most rational people don’t expect miracles from rookies, but Gabbert showed very, very little signs of actually being competent or having potential.

There’s a difference between struggling with experience and surrounding talent and looking so lost that no one has any confidence in you down the line.

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by Bryan Steedman on Feb 17, 2012 12:00 AM EST up reply actions  

I know that the Bills sent scouts to a lot of ASU’s big games this season, and it could have been to scout Osweiler for the second round. But we can’t be sure because ASU has a couple of really good defensive prospects as well.

But if the Bills do end up drafting him I see him spending 2 seasons behind Fitzy before starting. Maybe even 3 depending on how well Fitzy plays. But your right, he would definitely need to sit at least a season, two preferably.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 14, 2012 7:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely 1,000% Concurrence, CanadianBillsFan

I also see OBD investing the #41 pick in Osweiler as a DEVELOPMENT QB and giving him at least 2 if not 3 full years to develop and eventually replace Fitz. I actually see him taking a full year just holding a clipboard and being taught and trained before becoming a backup QB and completing his development and proving himself over a few years as the backup, first. He’s very raw and will need both the time and careful coaching but he holds the potential to eventually become special, which is why I’m all for this.

by wpod on Feb 17, 2012 1:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Gabbert was a 1st rounder last year

So that should make McShay look good, not bad.

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by ct17 on Feb 14, 2012 4:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

No, McShay said he was a good enough QB

to deserve to be taken 1st overall—ahead of Cam Newton, FFS.

Just because J’ville was fool enough to believe him doesn’t make him right.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 14, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

FFS?

And a bunch of people said that about Gabbert last year, not just McShay. Especially at this time last year.

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by Dan Kadar on Feb 14, 2012 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

People are always smarter after the fact

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 14, 2012 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I wish that were true

I only seem to get dumber and dumber.

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2012 NYG mock - 1: Dwayne Allen TE, 2: Brandon Boykin CB/RS, 3: A.J. Jenkins WR, 4: Vick Ballard RB, 5: Neiko Thorpe S, 6: Rishard Matthews WR/RS, 6: Blake DeChristopher G/T, 7: BPA

by ct17 on Feb 14, 2012 9:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Including Baylor’s Robert Griffin III, no quarterback in the 2012 NFL Draft has as much potential and natural ability as Osweiler.

That’s a very bold statement. I have watched each QB play at least 5-6 times and not once did I see Osweiler perform on the same level as RG3. Maybe I was watching the wrong games, so I could be wrong. But based on what I’ve seen and based on the lack of success in the NFL for QB’s over 6’5", I would stay away from Osweiler, at least in the first 4 rounds.

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by NMVike on Feb 14, 2012 12:43 PM EST reply actions  

Potential

RG3 has a lot more experience starting in college, so his game is going to be more polished. Osweiler has great physical tools (arm strength, athleticism, etc), but is very lacking in polish since he’s only started for a year and change and dealt with coaching drama.

Because of the experience/coaching, RG3 is much closer to his ceiling than he was 2-3 years ago. Osweiler has a lot of room to grow, the question is whether or not you can coach him up so he can approach/hit his ceiling, or if he never will and will wash out of the league in 2-3 years.

by Senepol on Feb 14, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

"Potential"

Maybe. “Natural ability?” I have my doubts. RG3 has improved each and every year in college. He went from a “run first” freshman QB to one of the best long ball throwers to come out of college football in quite some time. Osweiler was coached by a former NFL coach, so I honestly don’t think that RG3 is any closer to his ceiling than Osweiler is to his own.

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by NMVike on Feb 14, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn’t say they play at the same level. There is a vast difference in having potential like Osweiler and realizing and playing to your potential like Griffin. Natural ability –things like athleticism and arm strength– is directly related to potential.

I really hoped Osweiler would return for his senior season to develop.

I wouldn’t give Dennis Erickson, in 2011, too much credit as a coach. He lost his team and he couldn’t develop the talent. He could recruit well, but that was it for ASU.

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by Dan Kadar on Feb 14, 2012 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

It was an odd choice coming out

I thought he could have been the top QB in 2013, and picked Top 5. Of course, that was before Barkley decided to stay.

But losing his coach and Robinson, maybe he felt that next season was going to be a risk.

My QB has 2 rings. Well, 3 if you want to get technical.

2012 NYG mock - 1: Dwayne Allen TE, 2: Brandon Boykin CB/RS, 3: A.J. Jenkins WR, 4: Vick Ballard RB, 5: Neiko Thorpe S, 6: Rishard Matthews WR/RS, 6: Blake DeChristopher G/T, 7: BPA

by ct17 on Feb 14, 2012 10:06 PM EST up reply actions  

its still a bold statement nontheless

I mean honestly before your statement, I have not seen Osweiler mentioned in the same sentence as RG3 or Luck. I just don’t see the comparison, potential or otherwise. I don’t even think Osweiler is as good of a passer as Mallet was coming out of college, and I hated Mallet last year.

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by NMVike on Feb 15, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m not comparing what they can do right now. Luck and RG3 are one and two for a reason and Osweiler is five for a reason.

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by Dan Kadar on Feb 15, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

No I get what youre saying

I just have a hard time buying it. Not saying either of us are right or wrong. Your opinion of Osweiler’s “potential/natural ability” just differs from mine.

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by NMVike on Feb 15, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I expected to be very underwhelmed by Osweiler

He obviously has a long way to go, but the more I have gone back and watched of him, the more surprised I became at how much I began to like him as a prospect.

He has a lot of good qualities that I would look for in a developmental QB, so I hope he goes to a place that helps him develop.

by TheRaven on Feb 14, 2012 2:15 PM EST reply actions  

Same exact thought from me, though I’m probably more of a fan than most.

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by Dan Kadar on Feb 14, 2012 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe he is too tall?

From what I’ve seen of him he didn’t look mobile at all. While not a statue in the pocket cough Ryan Mallet cough I think he’ll struggle in the NFL.

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by browne14 on Feb 14, 2012 4:33 PM EST reply actions  

Really you didn't see any mobility in the film? I've watched 7 of his games again, and saw

him live this season. The guy is pretty athletic, he was playing power forward for ASU before focusing on football. He certainly isn’t Ryan Mallet.

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by kelly20210 on Feb 14, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

To me, it’s hard to say implicitly about his pocket poise because he played the shotgun so much. He can get out and run just fine, but I’m curious about his ability to shuffle around in the pocket like guys like Brady and Rodgers do.

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by Dan Kadar on Feb 14, 2012 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Osweiler more so has Joe Flacco type mobility

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by Rorschach44 on Feb 14, 2012 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

i had this same question

but less related “necessarily” to mobility; more in how he could end up taking shots because he is SO big, that it seems if he does get caught in the pocket by a defender, he is going to get hit in the ribs pretty good, or hit in the the legs, and either way… mobility/pocket presence then become much more of a factor.

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by ThaRealTruth on Feb 16, 2012 2:22 AM EST up reply actions  

another 4th rounder

being hyped up to the 1st. Some franchise will do its homework, disregard it, buy the hype, and jump on him earlier than necessary.

by ratumike on Feb 14, 2012 7:56 PM EST reply actions  

The only reason we talk about him

instead of 6-12 other QBs Is because he is 6’- 8" tall. Every report is the same – he has a lot of raw potential.

If that is all you want you can find hundreds of basketball players looking for a job. They are only a year behind him in development. You can even choose a 7 footer that has super raw potential.

I would rather find someone that can read the defense, read the progressions, and throw the ball accurately. Maybe he will be there some day. Maybe is a 4th round quality.

by AlaskaHawk on Feb 15, 2012 1:06 PM EST reply actions  


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