3 Round Mock Draft
by Jonathan Hake on Feb 19, 2012 9:00 PM EST
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PrintI'm putting out another addition of a mock draft. No Explanations are included because I didn't want to pick the right player but give a bad explanation. Any questions or explanations needed feel free to ask. Only two trades included and they are two trades that i feel pretty confident about happening.
1. Washington trades their 1st and 2nd round pick this year as well as a 1st round pick next season to move up and select RG III.
2. Cincinatti trades their 1st round pick (#17) and their 2nd round pick to move up and select Trent Richardson.
Round 1
- Indianapolis (2-14) - Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford
- St. Louis (2-14) - Matt Kalil, OT, USC
- Washington (5-11) (From Minn) -Robert Griffin III, QB, Baylor
- Cleveland (4-12) - Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma St
- Tampa Bay (4-12) - Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU
- Minnesota (3-13)(From Wash) - Riley Reiff, OT, Iowa
- Jacksonville (5-11) - Jonathan Martin, OT, Stanford
- Miami (6-10) - Quinton Coples, DE, UNC
- Carolina (6-10) - Michael Brockers, DT, LSU
- Buffalo (6-10) - Kendall Wright, WR, Baylor
- Cincinatti Bengals (From Kansas City) - Trent Richardson, RB, Alabama
- Seattle (7-9) - Courtney Upshaw, OLB, Alabama
- Arizona (8-8) - Mike Adams, OT, Ohio St.
- Dallas (8-8) - Dre Kirkpatrick, CB, Alabama
- Philadelphia (8-8) - Luke Kuechly, LB, Boston College
- New York Jets (8-8) - Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame
- Kansas City (7-9) from Oakland / Cincy (8-8) - David Decastro, G, Stanford
- San Diego (8-8) - Nick Perry, DE/ OLB, USC
- Chicago (8-8) - Alshon Jeffery, WR, South Carolina
- Tennessee (9-7) - Peter Konz, C, Wisconsin
- Cincinnati* (9-7) - Janoris Jenkins, CB, Northern Alabama
- Cleveland - from Atlanta* (10-6) - Ryan Tannehill, QB, Texas A&M
- Detroit* (10-6) - Zach Brown, LB, UNC
- Pittsburgh* (12-4) - Cordy Glenn, G, Georgia
- Denver* (8-8) - Devon Still, DT, Penn St.
- Houston* (10-6) - Dontari Poe, NT, Memphis
- New England - from New Orleans* (13-3) - Fletcher Cox, DT/DE, Miss St.
- Green Bay* (15-1) - Whitney Mercilus, DE/OLB, Illinois
- Baltimore* (12-4) - Dont'a Hightower, ILB, Alabama
- San Francisco* (13-3) - Reuben Randle, WR, LSU
- New England* (13-3) - Chase Minniefield, CB, Virginia
- New York Giants* (9-7) - Kelechi Osemele, G/T, Iowa St
Round 2
- St. Louis (2-14) - Lavonte David, LB, Nebraska
- Indianapolis (2-14) - Coby Fleener, TE, Stanford
- Minnesota (3-13) - Stephon Gilmore, CB, South Carolina
- Tampa Bay (4-12) - Alfonzo Dennard, CB, Nebraska
- Cleveland (4-12) - Lamar Miller, RB, Miami
- Jacksonville (5-11) - Mohammad Sanu, WR, Rutgers
- Minnesota (From Washington) - Jerel Worthy, DT, Mich St.
- Carolina (6-10) - Jayron Hosley, CB, Virginia Tech
- Buffalo (6-10) - Melvin Ingram, DE, South Carolina
- Miami (6-10) - Dwayne Allen, TE, Clemson
- Seattle (7-9) - Jared Crick, DT/DE, Nebraska
- Kansas City (7-9) - Zebrie Sanders, OT, Florida St.
- Dallas (8-8) - Mark Barron, S, Alabama
- Philadelphia (8-8) - Brandon Thompson, DT, Clemson
- New York Jets (8-8) - Andre Branch, DE/OLB, Clemson
- New England - from Oakland (8-8) - Bruce Irvin, OLB, West Virginia
- San Diego (8-8) - Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
- Chicago (8-8) - Kevin Zeitler, G, Wisconsin
- Philadelphia - from Arizona (8-8) - Travis Lewis, OLB, Oklahoma
- Tennessee (9-7) - Vinny Curry, DE, Marshall
- Kansas City (From Cincinnati) - Orson Charles, TE, Georgia
- Detroit* (10-6) - Leonard Johnson, CB, Iowa St
- Atlanta* (10-6) - Brandon Washington, G/T, Miami
- Pittsburgh* (12-4) - Vontaze Burfict, LB, Arizona St.
- Denver* (8-8) - David Wilson, RB, Virginia Tech
- Houston* (10-6) - Marvin McNutt, WR, Iowa
- New Orleans* (13-3) - Sean Spence, LB, Miami
- Green Bay* (15-1) - Cam Johnson, DE/ OLB, Virginia
- Baltimore* (12-4) - Ben Jones, C, Georgia
- San Francisco* (13-3) - T.Y. Hilton, WR, FIU
- New England* (13-3) - Harrison Smith, S, Notre Dame
- New York Giants* (9-7) - Chris Polk, RB, Washington
Round 3
- Indianapolis (2-14) - Dwight Jones, WR, UNC
- St. Louis (2-14) - Juron Criner, WR, Arizona
- Minnesota (3-13) - Brian Quick, WR, Appalachian St
- Cleveland (4-12) - Amini Silatolu, G, Midwestern St
- Tampa Bay (4-12) - Ronnell Lewis, LB, Oklahoma
- Washington (5-11) - Brandon Boykin, CB, Georgia
- Jacksonville (5-11) - Trumaine Johnson, CB, Montana
- Buffalo (6-10) - Mitchell Schwartz, OT, Cal
- Miami (6-10) - Nick Foles, QB, Arizona
- Chicago - from Carolina (6-10) - Mike Martin, DT, Michigan
- Kansas City (7-9) - Antonio Allen, S, South Carolina
- Seattle (7-9) - Chandler Jones, DE, Syracuse
- Philadelphia (8-8) - Josh Norman, CB, Coastal Carolina
- New York Jets (8-8) - George Iloka, S, Boston College
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Oakland(8-8) - San Diego (8-8) - Ryan Steed, Cb, Furman
- Chicago (8-8) - Matt McCants, OT, UAB
- Arizona (8-8) - Brandon Weeden, QB, Oklahoma St
- Dallas (8-8) - Billy Winn, DT/DE, Boise St
- Tennessee (9-7) - Mike Brewster, C/G , Ohio St
- Cincinnati* (9-7) - Markelle Martin, S, Oklahoma St
- Atlanta* (10-6) - Doug Martin, RB, Boise St.
- Detroit* (10-6) - Bobby Massie, OT, Miss
- Pittsburgh* (12-4) - Bernard Pierce, RB, Temple
- Denver* (8-8) - Brock Osweiler, QB, Arizona St
- Houston* (10-6) - Senio Kelemete, G, Washington
- New Orleans* (13-3) - Bobby Wagner, LB, Utah St
- Green Bay* (15-1) - Jamell Flemmin, CB, Oklahoma
- Baltimore* (12-4) - Shae McClellin, OLB, Boise St.
- San Francisco* (13-3) - Brandon Brooks, G, Miami (Oh)
- New England* (13-3) - Stephen Hill, WR, Georgia Tech
- New York Giants* (9-7) - Ladarius Green, TE, Louisiana Lafayette
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Panthers
Hate it. Both players have terrible value at where they were picked.
I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was
I see Brockers as a top 10 talent at DT.
And Hosley is also a top 50 talent to me.
by Jonathan Hake on Feb 19, 2012 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
Well I, and most, would disagree
Brockers isnt a top 15, maybe not even top 20, and Hosley is a 3rd rounder. We already have a bunch of young developing DTs, it makes no since to bring in another project.
I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was
Brockers isnt a top 15, maybe not even top 20
Really? I can see 3 or 4 teams in the top ten that might take him.
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Brockers is a top 10 because the only other first round DT is Still and he can't penetrate like Brockers can
Young with a high upside at DT. Hosley is a mid to late 2nd for me but there was a run on CB’s and I love the insight you have. No suggestions of who you all would rather take. No input on anything.
by Jonathan Hake on Feb 19, 2012 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
have you watched him play?
Brockers doesnt penetrates. He has a good use of hands and a high motor but he doesnt penetrate or dominate at the line. Still is a much better DT
I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was
I see a different player in Brockers
I think he bull rushes and stacks and sheds very well. He doesn’t have finesse moves but who needs them when you have the strength and length he has. I think he will be special but I can go back to the vanilla Dre mock.
by Jonathan Hake on Feb 19, 2012 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
How about this then
Brockers does a good job of holding the poa, he can split double teams with a nice swim ove, he also has a nifty little spin move. He sti gets caught up in the wash sometimes, but the dude is 21 years old, and has only been playing DT for like 2 seasons.
And if I wanted you to change the Bills draft….I would have said something. So think about that before you get your panties in a bunch.
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Lol my reply wasn't to you
It was to PCroadrage haha. But thank you I see the same thing in him. I have no problem with your posts I just hate when all someone says is I hate this draft without giving reasons why they think the player is a reach.
by Jonathan Hake on Feb 20, 2012 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
Kool got ya
And btw liked the Bills draft,especially Ingram in the second. Seems like a high value pick there.
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What made Still the nations top DT last year is that he was a superb penetrator
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by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Feb 20, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
^^^homer
There's no way Khloe's a Kardashian. No frickin' way.
by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Feb 20, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
Well duh, everyone has an inherent bias to something they like
That’s just simple psychology
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by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Feb 20, 2012 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
I don't; but then again, I'm an android.
There's no way Khloe's a Kardashian. No frickin' way.
by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Feb 20, 2012 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
:3
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by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Feb 20, 2012 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
brockers is good
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Feb 20, 2012 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
You have the Bills picking
tenth,ninth, and eighth.
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There are three teams at 6-10 maybe they all rotate?
This is a copied order
by Jonathan Hake on Feb 19, 2012 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
the Bills pick 10th
the dolphins and panthers are waiting on a coinflip to decide the eighth and ninth pick.
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I see
As i said i just copied the draft order.
by Jonathan Hake on Feb 19, 2012 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
No biggie
just giving you a heads up
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In each additional round
Teams with the same records rotate draft picks so that they can get essentially “equal” value in each draft. Last year we picked 3rd overall as Buffalo, but also had the second pick of the second round, rotating with Denver and Cincy.
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Yup your right
my bad
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Chiefs
Love the trade down and picks in rounds 1 and 2. Not sure I would go safety in round 3 with NT’s Ta’amu and Chapman still on the board.
Merlinnj
Well I believe safety to be a bigger need than NT.
We run around half of our snaps in a Nickel formation without a NT and we have Powe to step in as a run stuffer. Also Chapman and Ta’amu both being available likely means one of them is available in the 4th.
by Jonathan Hake on Feb 19, 2012 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
I am replacing McGraw
We run a lot of 3 safety formations. Allen also has the ability to play solid man coverage so he can be used against bigger receivers or he can man up tight ends.
by Jonathan Hake on Feb 19, 2012 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
I believe we get the law firm and use him with Charles.
Better than spending a pick.
by Jonathan Hake on Feb 19, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
very possible
i thougt the mock was ideal
could get Soliai or Rogers/Franklin in FA as well
by stagdsp on Feb 20, 2012 2:19 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I"m worried we will be getting another Thomas Jones..
Our lack of running attack…killed us last year..
Best Chiefs mock I have seen this season.
I love every pick…I can only pray the actual draft is this good for KC.
by DivineGrace on Feb 27, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
Jags
I might prefer Josh Norman to Trumaine Johnson but I am fine with either. I really won’t complain.
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I could see that argument as well.
Both should be solid corners.
by Jonathan Hake on Feb 19, 2012 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
Ravens
Not bad except rather have Stephen Hill in the 3rd.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
Just curious, why would you want Stephen Hill?
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by sportsfan4life2012 on Feb 19, 2012 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
We are still looking to develop our WR. Lee Evans might be gone, so that would leave Torrey and Boldin. Hill is a great down field threat that would fit our offense for sure.
"Picture Me Rollin"
If you are looking for a great downfield threat, I would look elsewhere
Hill has a major case of the drops. Yes, he will make the occasional spectacular grab. But until this year, he actually dropped more passes than he caught. And a lot of them were wide open drops (the North Carolina drop this year is one of the worst I have ever seen in college football). He is a developmental guy who has a lot of great physical traits, but he needs to work on what is between the ears before he can ever become a successful WR. I would think a team like the Ravens would pick up a guy more NFL-ready than a Stephen Hill.
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by sportsfan4life2012 on Feb 19, 2012 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
Well at the end of the 3rd more than likely you are getting someone that is a developmental player. For our offense to consistently run efficiently it requires two guys that can stretch the field and we only have one. As far as physical traits you won’t find anyone with more talent at the end of the third. He may take a little to develop, but we desperately need someone else who can stretch the field. We also have never had a WR with some size which could really help us out as well. A lot of the guys who would fit what we need and would be considered more NFL ready are already gone. Streeter would be another option, but that’s the reason I would take him. At the end of the 3rd I don’t see a problem taking a guy with all the tools and hoping you can develop the rest of the game.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
But would there be someone worth trading up for there?
by Jonathan Hake on Feb 19, 2012 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
I personally don’t see anyone we would trade up for. Possibly a Floyd, Adams, or Upshaw if they fell far enough, but they didn’t in this mock and even then I don’t know we would trade up for them. I think Ozzie would be more likely to trade down.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
Jets
I could live with this draft
And the home of the .... JETS!!!
Now lets get a G-D snack!!!
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Thanks
Lots of versatility in those defensive players and a solid WR for you guys.
by Jonathan Hake on Feb 19, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
Seahawks
What a beastly draft for our D. Would have liked to see a LB picked in the first three spots, but if Upshaw is there at 1, Crick at 2, and Jones at 3, I would pick each and every one of them over most everyone you have available… except maybe Doug Martin in the third there cause that would be the steal of the draft (no way he makes it past the 45th pick of the whole draft)
Eternally looking forward to someone making a Seahawks song based off of Lil' Jon's "Shots" song named "Hawks!"
I just don't see Martin as being that special.
He is just an overall good back. But he doesn’t have break away speed, he can’t make people miss, and he has a small frame to take the beating of a pounding running back.
by Jonathan Hake on Feb 19, 2012 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
giants draft i dont like
just my thoughts: no to osemele, give us lamar miller, allen, or even dennard. In the 2nd i dont mind polk but i like doug martin more, and as for the 3rd its ok
my remock
miller
martin
green
no miller, not need or bpa imo
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Feb 20, 2012 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
Two picks undo each other
You add a G/RT that will likely be looked at for LG and a TE that can’t block, you’re back to zero on run blocking.
The last time we did not take two guys from the Dline, WR, or CB in the first three rounds was in 2004 when we picked Manning, and traded away our 3rd. It’s all about positional value.
My QB has 2 rings. Well, 3 if you want to get technical.
2012 NYG mock - 1: Dwayne Allen TE, 2: Brandon Boykin CB/RS, 3: A.J. Jenkins WR, 4: Vick Ballard RB, 5: Neiko Thorpe S, 6: Rishard Matthews WR/RS, 6: Blake DeChristopher G/T, 7: BPA
Jets
Nice draft. 3 potential impact players.
by Crackback on Feb 19, 2012 10:31 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I like it too,
But in the first, there’s no way we pass up Melvin Ingram for a WR. I don’t see hoe Ingram could fall so much in general. But I like Branch and love Iloka, so nice job.
Disagree. I think Floyd has the potential to be a dominant force and its by no means an easy choice to pass him up for Ingram. I like Ingram as much as anyone, but Floyd is not just some WR. Dude is a stud, and he’s a perfect fit for our offense.
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by OldProspects on Feb 20, 2012 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
Chiefs
For us i kind of like it but i guess i dont see guard as such a need. I think OT and NT are huge so why not trade back in the first with cincy for their 2nd then trade that 2nd and 3rd to get back into the late 1st.
1a. NT Dontari Poe
1b. OT Mike Adams
2. OG Kevin Zeitler (or Burfict in ur draft)
3. TE Ladarius Green
4. RB Isiah Pead
Well NT isn't a huge need and Poe isn't a 2 gap NT yet.
He would need to develop into that role and we already have one developmental NT in Powe. Mike Adams goes number 13 to Arizona but you want him at the end of the first. Zeitler is more of a power guard than a ZBS guard and Decastro is a rare prospect. Green would be a good pick but I would rather get rid of McGraw with Antonio Allen.
by Jonathan Hake on Feb 19, 2012 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
I dont think the cardinals are going to take him there
if decastro gets to the cards thats who their taking. Hes more of a late 1st rounder. And even if hes not there we could still sit tight and get sanders and have another 2nd. I just dont see the reasoning behind drafting decastro with our first pick in such a deep class
Well the Cardinals absolutely need a LT and Adams is the last one with a high ceiling at LT.
And I took Decastro because he is a great prospect and because as you said we can get Sanders in the second. Also this class isn’t particularly deep in the areas we need. There are 5 good guards by my count and outside of the first round maybe 2 good tackles. The NT’s are bad this year, they are just fat defensive tackles.
by Jonathan Hake on Feb 19, 2012 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
All the more reason to draft poe
I agree its not a deep NT class but everything ive read on poe says hes a rare 3-4 nose tackle with the potential to be the best NT in the NFL. I think we all know pioli isnt gona go get a stud NT in FA and im not comfortable with Jerrell Powe. I really like powe but lets be real, hes a 6th round pick. So look at OT, NT, OG and ILB. Between richardson, powe, lilja and belcher/siler where do you need to find starters at? NT and OT. Poe is the only ligit 3-4 NT in this draft and you can find a great RT in the 2nd and a great guard in the 2nd or 3rd
Poe isn't a legit NT right now
He may be a legit NT 3 seasons from now but the guy is weak. He doesn’t stand players up and demand a double team. He is much better suited as a 3-4 DE to start out with. You can’t find a great RT or a great guard in this years draft in the 2nd or third. You can get developmental players at both positions.
Also the NT isn’t as important of a position now with the pass happy league. A NT maybe plays 50 % of the snaps. Also Gregg hasn’t officially retired yet and we have Gordon as a backup NT and Chapman should be available in the 4th or 5th round and he is much more experienced and ready right now to be a NT in a 2 gap system.
by Jonathan Hake on Feb 20, 2012 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
Ok so insert anybody
All im saying is guard is this teams 6th or 7th need so why address it with the first pick? This draft would be great for us if we signed a NT in free agency but right now its a huge need and how can you say it isnt when we were 26th in run defense last year? Lilja was not the problem on the line last year. He wasnt spectacular but its hard to be good at all when your playing next to wiegman. If you replace Richardson and wiegman and lilja is healthier then he was last year then he is already going to be tons better playing next to hudson. And somethink id like the chiefs at least try to do is see how both richardson and david mims are at right guard. Both struggle with lateral movement in the passing game but wouldnt have that problem on the inside
G is a huge need. OL is the biggest thing this team needs.
NT isn’t a big need for this team. If you get another run stuffing MLB you’ll be just fine. Fix the worst offensive line in the NFL before you address a need that really isn’t that big. You also need better coverage with 2 of the 3 teams in the division being legit passing teams.
As a Bills fan
I hate Kendall Wright and I don’t think he fits into Buffalo’s offense at all. If you follow our WR acquisition strategies we are basically doing what San Diego had recently – a basketball team of WR’s. 6’2 or taller, long, rangy athletic players. Wright is a small speedster (who I think is Lee Evans 2.0 and will have maybe 2 good seasons in his career) that doesn’t work.
I’m also not a huge Melvin Ingram fan, but in the second I’d take him in a heartbeat.
My redraft:
1. Dre Kirkpatrick
2. Melvin Ingram
3. Brock Osweiler, George Iloka, or Josh Norman
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I debated Kirkpatrick
But i figured Wright’s speed could stretch the field and allow the other players to get open underneath.
by Jonathan Hake on Feb 19, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
Cardinals
I’d be okay with Adams, but I’d prefer DeCastro. Either way Oline should be the first round selection. 3rd round you have us taking Weeden. I really dont see us grabbing a QB this draft at all. We have Skelton and Kolb who are going to battle for the number one spot, and should both improve after their first full offseason with the Cards, and Richard Bartel is a servicable third QB. No real need for QB there. I’d change the pick to either Kelemete or Markelle Martin there
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I gave you Adams over Decastro
Because I don’t like any LT after Adams. There are some that could grow into the LT role but Adams has a very high ceiling. Decastro is a rare talent I know and he will likely be great for a long time but having great guards doesn’t stop the edge rushers from destroying your QB.
by Jonathan Hake on Feb 19, 2012 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
Understandable reasoning on Adams
Don’t think the Cardinals will take him over Decastro if it means ignoring their own board if it comes to it. I think they’ll stick pretty hard to BPA. They will probably need 2 new starters at OT though so that may weight their board the other direction.
No chance they take a QB in the third. They don’t have a 2nd round pick. They’ll go into next camp with Kolb and Skelton fighting it out. Only way they don’t is if they sign Peyton Manning. They need help in several areas, OL, WR, OLB all at the top of the list. Another QB would be premature at this time.
Bengals
Way too high of a price to pay for that spot we’d get the same deal from Miami or Carolina and we’d be trading for DeCastro would want a 4th as well.
1a Decastro
1b Gilmore
3 Doug Martin
I don't think it is too high of a price to pay at all.
You move up 6 spots and surrender a second rounder. Last year the chiefs moved down 6 spots from 21 – 27 and got a third. Moving from 17 to 11 will be pricier. Why move up for Decastro when you can stay at 17 and possibly select him or draft Glenn at 21?
by Jonathan Hake on Feb 20, 2012 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
I'd be quite happy to stay at 17 and hope we do but DeCastro won't be there
I definately don’t want Cordy Glenn or Janoris Jenkins BPA
Except most Seattle fans believe Seattle will take Richardson if he falls.
Lynch is a free agent and he could use a running mate even if he returns.
by Jonathan Hake on Feb 20, 2012 1:19 AM EST up reply actions
They probably would
but the extra pick could be traded for a 2013 1st round pick giving them the ammo to get there QB
Pats
I freaking love the draft!! i only have a problem with one pick and that is 31 overall. We have McCourty who in his rookie yr was a shutdown corner for the most part when he had S help over the top with a full offseason the Pats’ S(hopefully u r correct and we get H Smith from Notre Dame) will learn that and McCourty will be even better than he was his rookie yr. then we have Ras-I Dowling who was impressive before he got hurt coming back and Arrington who was pretty good at the #2 corner spot who can also go to the slot and be pretty darn good there and then Sterling Moore as our 4th corner. Now i am not saying we dont draft a corner at all i am all for getting one later in the draft for depth but with the 31 i would like to see a domminant Center taken. But overall i love the draft you got a rec from me!
ewww
awful, and not just for the giants.
to many reaches. to many good players falling a lot farther than usual.
this is constructive critisism.
i hate this draft
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Feb 20, 2012 12:27 AM EST reply actions
So you have the crystal ball that shows where players go eh?
I was under the impression that all of us were using our ranking and opinions to construct the best draft we could. But if you already know how it plays out how about you enlighten the rest of us? I use my own analysis as well as a top 100 list from one of my favorite draft sites. But thank you for the specific examples and reasoning for your opinion. I value it greatly.
by Jonathan Hake on Feb 20, 2012 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
don't mind it.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 20, 2012 6:32 AM EST up reply actions
onestly outside of the obvious picks...
just about every other pick seams like the wrong pick for the team.
u have mike adams going top 15?
i can understand first round, but no way is he picked 13 overall.
u have us drafting an olineman, which would be fine if we completey abandoned any of our usual trends, threw out BPA, and just went for one of he biggest reaches in your draft.
that isnt the giants style, nor is picking okine in the first.
you have ruebon randle over sanu, now i can understand the other 3 guys that people usually put ahead of sanu, because a lot of ppl arent familiar with sanu pre-combine. but their is nothing that indicates randle shoul dbe considered over sanu.
u have tannahil going to clevland, which really makes no sense to me.
if they wanted a QB, they coulda easily traded up to get RG3.
i dont have the time to go nit-picking thru every single one of your picks i think you were completley off base from, but:
was under the impression that all of us were using our ranking and opinions
sure, you have your right to your opinions
and i have my right to hate your draft.
i dont hate you as a person, and i dont think you should take it so personal. i just think your almost entirely wrong.
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Feb 21, 2012 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
Colts.
Don’t need to say anything on Luck, foregone conclusion. With the way the 1st Round developed, I can understand Fleener being slotted in at the top of the 2nd, but I think the value meets with need best.. if Mark Barron were there.
Don’t like Dwight Jones at the top of the 3rd – and it’s partly linked to the last pick quandary in that it’d be offense with all three picks. I don’t think we can really afford to do it, given our defense has been so bad.
I’d prefer if it went down Luck, Barron, Brian Quick/Brandon Boykin – but I think your picks all fit a certain need on the roster, so a fair effort.
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I agree that defense is certainly needed.
But I don’t think you can just throw luck out there without any help. The line seems to have been coming together but adding two solid receiving options including his safety blanket in college would be a good move imo. Focus picks 4-7 this year and next year’s draft on building up that defense.
by Jonathan Hake on Feb 20, 2012 1:01 AM EST up reply actions
Personally, I think it’s crazy to take Fleener over Sanu. Sanu might end up being one of the best receivers in the class. I’m not wild about Jones because I don’t think he’ll be anything special. Plus, he makes too many catches with his body instead of his hands.
Don't like Fleener over Dennard, Barron and Sanu
they can take care of the TE spot by not cutting Clark and/or resigning Tamme.
Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.
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by shake n bake on Feb 20, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
Like the Texans 1st & 3rd round picks
Not exactly that high on McNutt. Would take Juron Criner or Dwight Jones over him
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If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
These are my thoughts as well
True arrogance has been displayed here- WestministerRavensfan or something
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by WreckNTexan on Feb 21, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Chiefs
This is damn near the best mock I have seen with a good FA we could be ready to make a very strong push in the play-offs
Chagrers
Worst Ive seen so far. No need for one CB let alone 2, and Perry at 18; no thanks. Jeffery, Still, even Konz would have been better picks in the first. In the second Vinny Curry is available. Take him McNutt or Ben Jones, perhaps Martin. In the 3rd BPA at WR/S/LB/NT
Winning
The double corner thing was due to me doing this so late and then picking it up the next afternoon.
Should have gone over the picks better but why don’t you like Perry at 18?
by Jonathan Hake on Feb 21, 2012 3:43 AM EST up reply actions
No Perry isnt even a 1st rounder to me
If Upshaw is gone Jeffery, Still, or Konz would have all been way better picks I think. There’s not a huge reason for the team to draft a DL or OC high so I think Jeffery would make the most sense
Winning
49ers
Need wrs, Like Randle, but I don’t see both 1st and 2nd round picks on Wrs. Could definitely use a guard like you have
Giants are....different.
And different isn’t necessarily a bad thing. I’d be OK with this if you think Osemele can play RT and play it well. We take positional value into account much more than need and we don’t have Guard up on our list, nor do we have a pressing need for a guard either.
If you went with Osemele as a Guard, I’d take Dennard, Fleener, Allen, Miller, or Sanu before Kelechi. My redraft would be:
1) Dwayne Allen
2) Bobby Massie
3) Marvin McNutt
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 20, 2012 6:36 AM EST reply actions
its not so much that their different its that they dont make huge reaches.
i could understand the eagles taking a reach on a player like that.
but i dont see how anyone could think the giants will.
and id prefer no WR if were taking allen.
we already have a lot of young talent their just to be throwing a 3rd rounder at the same spot
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Feb 21, 2012 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
Bucs
Love Claiborne. Like Lewis. Hate the Dennard pick. I know we’ve double dipped the last 2 drafts, but I am expecting us to pursue free agency this year for at least one corner. I don’t think we’re double dipping this year. I’d take Lamar Miller or maybe Mark Barron in that spot.
I would also think about Burfict at that pick if he drops.
Bucs need a LB and he has a ton of talent, just needs to put it together. I think he would be worth the risk.
No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.
by thedudeofdudes on Feb 20, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
As others have said Decastro>Adams for the Cardinals
However Adams is not a bad pick. It’s Weeden in the 3rd that i dont like. The Cardinals offense is complex to the point that it takes at least a full season to learn. Not the best fit for a qb prospect who will be 29 years old going into his rookie season. I do think Weeden offers good value in the 3rd round but i dont see the Cardinals as a good fit.
by CardsDefense on Feb 20, 2012 9:41 AM EST via mobile reply actions
great Broncos draft
Fills a lot of big needs and you give us a very raw but good QB prospect should Tebow not improve and he doesn’t become the long term QB for the Broncos.
Wooooot! one of my teams made the postseason and won! PLAYOFFS!!!1
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Come on Toronto teams, one of you make the goddamn playoffs.
Love
the Cowboys picks, but if the draft went that way, i would have taken Markelle Martin in the 3rd round. They could completely redo the secondary in 1 draft.
Kirkpatrick CB
Barron SS
Martin FS
dolphins
if u just substitute foles out for george iloka or markelle martin in the 3rd this would be an absolute perfect draft for miami although idk if dwayne allen will be around that far but i hope so, great job
Also, the Steelers draft would kick ass
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by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Feb 20, 2012 1:20 PM EST reply actions
Steelers draft is horrible
Burfict is not going to be drafted by the Steelers, and a RB? Meanwhile we have no NTs, 1 ILB, 2 possible cap casualties and not much else. Glenn works the rest are horrible
I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
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I'm no huge Burfict fan, but I don't mind the project for the 2nd
Pierce is BPA which is why I like it
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by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Feb 20, 2012 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
He's more than a project
He’s not even a football player! We’ve not had the greatest success in the 2nd and getting him won’t help at all. I wouldn’t touch him till the 5th round.
I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
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Chargers
I think that the chargers draft is okay. I dont see them taking 2 CB in the first three rounds, however I like Steed in the third and have Kevin Zeitler in the second.
love the broncos 1st 2 picks
not so much on Brock as the QB, i think we’ll likely take a QB, but i think they’ll want someone a bit more mobile if Tebow goes down so that the system doesn’t have to be overhauled midseason again. Someone like Russel Wilson makes more sense or going the free agency route and trying for one of Dennis Dixon, Josh Johnson, or even Vince Young.
But LOVE the first 2. But thoughts-
-I doubt that Deron Still falls to us, i think the only real chance of us landing him is if we jump up a little in the draft for him.
-I really, really like Wilson in the 2nd, but again, i don’t think he’ll fall there. He’ll perform better then any RB by far at the combine, and it’ll bump him to the top of the second imo.
-If the DT we want isn’t there with our first and the 1st round CBs are off the board i think we’ll try hard to move out of the 1st and acquire more picks since we dont have a ton this year and could really use 1 or 2 more. If they could move down 10-15 picks and do that, it’d be nice, as it’d allow them to take a CB at that spot and have it not be such a reach.
Brock is a very mobile big quarterback.
I think he would fit well in your system of you know… handing the ball off.
by Jonathan Hake on Feb 21, 2012 3:40 AM EST up reply actions
I can guarantee, and taking all sig bets, the niners will not spend two draft picks in a row on wrs.
Especially rounds one and two.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
Fair enough and understandable.
I just don’t like Crabtree as a player and I know you are losing a couple receivers.
by Jonathan Hake on Feb 21, 2012 3:41 AM EST up reply actions
its more of crabtree is their only recieving threat (besides the best TE in the game)
he has no one but davis to take the pressure off him
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Feb 21, 2012 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
Bills
If im the Bills and i want a WR in the 1st, im gunna take Floyd over Wright
And dident the Jets just pay big money to Holmes?
Ingram would be a good pick in the second if he was there though.
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packers
awful draft here. dont get me wrong here overall the draft looked good, but it seemed like you mailed it in with the pack. first off i know a olb is needed but i highly doubt two are needed in the first two picks. im also not convinced a cb is really needed in the third. house has looked okay so far he just got hurt last year, shields should improve with an offseason and williams will be 100% again. whats needed is a safety or front line help…starting de or depth for the interior line.
by PackApologist on Feb 20, 2012 10:58 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Sorry was doing this late and missed the double OLB draft sorry about that.
But I will make sure and correct it in the next one.
by Jonathan Hake on Feb 21, 2012 3:41 AM EST up reply actions
Titans
Love the Titans first two picks. Our top needs are S, OG/C and DE.
Konz at C is a great pick…
Vinny Curry at DE in second is a steal at 52…
but then it gets strange in the third…we wouldn’t need another C with Brewster….I know you listed him as a G too..but I’ve never seen him listed that way either way it wouldnt matter… taking a C moves our current guy back to guard…next pick should then be for S.
You have Markelle Martin going the very next pick….that’s our Safety pick.
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Konz can play C and G.
Brewster I believe has experience at both positions. I just know the interior of the line was bad this last season and I believe both could play both positions.
by Jonathan Hake on Feb 21, 2012 3:44 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah..we need OL help...but we have 4 of 5 Safeties becoming free agents...
…plus the guys we have are poor players. We could take the Center in the first and move Amano to guard, where he plays better anyway…thats killing two birds with one stone. As mentioned, you have S Martin going the very next pick. If you gave us him then …. this would be a perfect scenario draft for the Titans.
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by Deaconbrodie on Feb 21, 2012 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
Steelers
I get the draft, but I don’t love it. I’m not sure how the Steelers feel, but I am loving Dontari Poe in the first. That would allow us, IMO, to cut Casey and save 5-6 million. Cordy Glenn would fit well on the team, but I think there are more Gs to be found in later rounds than solid NTs.
Burfict in the second would be awesome, but I don’t know if the Steelers are looking for more of a “sure thing” with their second round pick. We have a lot of positions we need to fill and a player with character concerns probably isn’t high on their board. I could be wrong though, it’s a great value pick.
I still don’t think the Steelers will be looking for a RB at all in the first 4 rounds. RBs just aren’t that important and we are a passing team. Also, more RBs on our roster doesn’t mean anything unless we bolster the OL (which you partially did with Glenn).
I think if it fell this way, I’d like:
1st: Poe
2nd: Burfict
3rd: Kelemete/Brooks
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Wasn't the point of firing the old OC and bringing in Haley
Because you guys want to get back to pound the rock football. Haley will run the ball over 50% of time so depth at RB is a bonus.
by Jonathan Hake on Feb 21, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
ESPN took Rooney’s quote out of context and molested it into submission. Rooney said he wanted to get back to running the ball successfully. He didn’t say he wanted to ignore his franchise QB and pro bowls WRs in order to get the ball more in the hands of a 3rd round pick. I’d be shocked if the Steelers ran the ball over 50% of the time considering there were only 4 teams that did that last year. Either way, drafting a RB without OTs who can run block makes it irrelevant.
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by John Stephens on Feb 21, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Like he did in Arizona?
I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
"It would be tough for me to care less about their opinion, to be honest with you." Mike Tomlin
Wisenhunt runs a pass first offense and look at where that has gotten him without Haley
While Haley was in Arizona they tried to run the ball more than since he has left even though they have a worse QB now. Haley is an old school pound the ball to setup up the play action and big play kind of OC and HC.
That being said with his ego and pride I’m not sure why he was hired. The guy has serious issues if even half of the stuff that’s come out about him are true.
by Jonathan Hake on Feb 21, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
He ran a pass first offense
Because using Edgerrin James was a horrible idea with Warner Fitz and Boldin as your other options. And actually the Cards ran the ball more this year than in 08. they had 389 this year, 320 in 10, 365 in 09 and 340 under Haley in 08.
He was hired because he has success running a passing first Offense and a rush first offense.
Arizona also went 10-6 in 09 without Haley. The biggest loss was Warner that is why Wiz is running the ball more
I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
"It would be tough for me to care less about their opinion, to be honest with you." Mike Tomlin
He ran a pass first offense
Because using Edgerrin James was a horrible idea with Warner Fitz and Boldin as your other options. And actually the Cards ran the ball more this year than in 08. they had 389 this year, 320 in 10, 365 in 09 and 340 under Haley in 08.
He was hired because he has success running a pass first Offense and a rush first offense.
Arizona also went 10-6 in 09 without Haley. The biggest loss was Warner that is why Wiz is running the ball more
I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
"It would be tough for me to care less about their opinion, to be honest with you." Mike Tomlin
rams
would rather have Sanu/Worthy in the 2nd then Trumaine Johnson/ronnel Lewis in the 3rd. Kalil or a trade at #2 is right on. Free agency will be changing a lot of these mocks anyways
by ECURam87 on Feb 21, 2012 3:52 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Darn skippy. I’m kinda freaked out by how much cash the Bengals have to throw around in free agency. Somehow that maniac got a lot of good players and totally fleeced the old man in Oakland (GRHS). The AFCN is changing hands, lets just hope that Ozzie’s team loses a bunch of there quality free agents to boot. Then most of your Rams fans have been smoking on the RGIII crackpipe, thinking there’s a pot of gold at the end of the chemically induced rainbow.
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Dolphins....
if the phins dont take a QB very early, it means we got one in FA, so there is no need to use that 3rd on Foles IMO. I would change that last pick to either a RT or a S…
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Cowboys
No way we let Decastro go by us
Would love to have Barron in the second, but I don’t think he would still be there
And then we would go cb in the 3rd I think
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