My "Mike Mayock" Mock
One of the most well respected analysts and draftniks out there, without question, is Mike Mayock. He recently had a media conference call this past week. You can find the transcript right here
I read all 21 glorious pages of it, and attempted to make a 1st round mock draft based solely upon Mayock's observations, and tried match need/drafting style with his valuations.
Please remember that this came straight from his words. I did no evaluating of prospects, just looked for where their draft range might be and the needs of teams. It took some time. Let me know what you think.
The rightmost column is a blurb from the transcript about the prospect which explains my reasoning for putting tem there. There often were times where Mayock would connect a team with a prospect directly, so that may be the case for your team.
Enjoy!
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Andrew Luck, QB |
When you throw Andrew Luck into that grouping, I think he falls from an intellect with passion for the game of football, somewhere in that kind of Peyton Manning, Matt Ryan mold. That's how much the kid loves it. As far as ability, I don't think he's quite in the Peyton Manning mold, but I think he's close. I think he's got a little more ability than Matt Ryan did when he came out. |
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St. Louis Rams TRADE Cleveland Browns give up both 2012 1st Round draft picks |
Robert Griffin III, QB |
The other side of the coin is you're bringing up one of the most gifted kids in the last several years in this draft in Robert Griffin. Is there some down side to Robert Griffin? Yes, there is. However, you probably have the opportunity to move up and get him if you want him. |
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Matt Kalil, OT |
Kalil is a wonderfully gifted left tackle. He's got great feet, long arms, and he fits the bill for the athleticism look in an all pro left tackle. What he doesn't have yet is the core strength that you're going to look for that will happen two or three years from now. And every once in a while he gets bull rushed. Every once in a while at the point of attack, he's going to struggle. But he does what the NFL demands from their left tackles, which is he ultimately will be an exceptional pass protector. |
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Cleveland Browns TRADE St. Louis Rams |
Justin Blackmon, WR |
As far as Blackmon is concerned, I think you have to look at him like Larry Fitzgerald a few years ago, which is I don't think he's going to run a great 40. I think he's going to run a 4.5, or a 4.52 somewhere in there, and I think you have to say that's okay. He's big, he's physical, he's got tremendous body control and tremendous ball skills. |
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Trent Richardson, RB |
I believe he is, and I don't say that very often about running backs. I think the last guy where you bang the table this hard was Peterson when he came out of Oklahoma and was the seventh pick of Minnesota. So, yeah. I think his height, width, speed, toughness, all constitutes a pretty solid pick. |
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Morris Claiborne, CB |
(talking about top 3-5 picks) You probably could throw a corner in there also. The Claiborne kid from LSU |
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Kendall Wright, WR |
As far as the wide receiver position is concerned, now that's kind of interesting. Blackmon's going to go early. Kendall Wright will run a sub 4.4 from Baylor. He'll probably go in the top 15 picks. |
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Riley Reiff, OT |
However, when you start looking at the top ends of this draft, from a talent perspective, I don't think Riley Reiff should be a Top 10 pick, but I think he might be when it's all said and done. |
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Michael Brockers, DT |
You start looking at, I've got Michael Brockers from LSU, the defensive tackle is a potential Top 10 pick, and I think he's a logical guy that could play even outside if you needed him to. He's a really explosive, 6'5", 300-pound defensive tackle. I think Brockers is really logical for them right there. The question is if you don't like Brockers, to me the only concern there is he's a one-year guy. |
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Courtney Upshaw, OLB |
I've got Upshaw as the number one linebacker. |
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David DeCastro, OG |
I think DeCastro's pretty sure. You can plug him in and play him day one. I think Adams is a little bit iffy just because of his past. I think Jonathan Martin's a pretty solid left tackle prospect. |
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Ryan Tannehill, QB |
He's a really good athlete. All you have to do is look at his tape as a wide receiver a year ago. He's a big, strong, fast kid with a really good arm. What I don't like about him is he waits for routes to develop before he throws the football. In other words, he lacks anticipation, and because of that he throws late in the coverage and makes mistakes. Now, that's not atypical for a lot of young quarterbacks in college football, especially ones that only have a year and a half of starting under their belt. So he hasn't started as many games as I'd like to see from a typical first round NFL quarterback. You'd typically like to see at least 25 minimum starting assignments in college. But I think he's going to be a first round guy. |
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Jonathon Martin, OT |
Jonathan Martin to me, prototypical left tackle. Gifted athletically. Needs to get stronger, lot of things I said about Kalil, you could say about him. Needs to get stronger but will protect the quarterback. |
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Dre Kirkpatrick, CB |
I've been a big believer that the secondary is what's kept them out of any potential Super Bowls the last eight or ten years, whether it was safety or corner, I think they need to upgrade back there. |
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Luke Kuechly, ILB |
I think he's the best inside linebacker in this draft by far. He's a natural three-year junior. He's got more production than you could imagine. He's never been hurt. He's got no significant injuries. He's clean off the field, intelligent. He's got great instincts, and he's a better athlete than people think. |
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Quinton Coples, OLB |
You might have heard me say at the beginning of the call, I don't like the defensive ends in this year's draft. I'm not a Quinton Coples guy. Most people think he's a Top 10 pick. |
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Jerel Worthy, DT |
The nice thing about where they are now is I don't think they have to reach as far position wise as they used to. If they have one guy and they want to go get him, that's fine. But what I like with those two picks is you're in the middle of the first round, and you have an opportunity to say who is the best football player there? Not necessarily reach because you need a position so badly. Now, having said that, at 15, there could be two or three explosive defensive tackles sitting there. Jerel Worthy from Michigan State. I thought he threw around the Wisconsin offensive linemen. Those Wisconsin offensive linemen can play. And I thought he dominated the front of that game. |
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Michael Floyd, WR |
If Michael Floyd runs well, he'll be in the top 15 or 20, if he doesn't run well, he'll probably slide a little bit. You never know where Michael Floyd could end up |
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Mark Barron, SS |
As far as Barron the safety, I would have loved to have seen him workout. But his body of work on tape is very strong. He's the number one safety on just about everybody's charts. Everybody's hoping that he'll have an opportunity to work out prior to the draft. |
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Melvin Ingram, DE |
But Melvin Ingram would be the guy I would say, okay, if had you to push are there, I'd say him because I can move him all around. Defensive end, I can kick him inside on nickel sub-situations. I'd stand him up. He's a guy like Justin Tuck where you could have some fun with him. |
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Cincinnati Bengals |
Alfonzo Dennard, CB |
I think with the loss of Jonathan Joseph and what you ended up having to play with in that secondary at the end of the year, I think from my perspective, I'd love to see a corner get in there and compete from day one. |
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Cleveland Browns TRADE St. Louis Rams |
Mike Adams, OT |
Mike Adams has had some off the field issues. I spoke with his offensive line coach the other day. He really helped himself at The Senior Bowl. I think he will continue to help himself at the combine. |
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Janoris Jenkins, CB |
-But I think what you're looking for is a left tackle. Backus is older. You have to protect your quarterback, and if you talk offense, that's where you need to start. However, what they need to do is continue to get better on defense. I would be looking at corner and linebacker, because you have to feel pretty good, especially if you can re-sign Cliff Avril about your front four.
-I think if you're talking about corners, Claiborne will probably be gone. I think Dre' Kirkpatrick from Alabama could be gone at that point. So you're looking at Janoris Jenkins from North Alabama who is one of the ultimate boom or bust guys in this draft |
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Kevin Zeitler, OG |
I think the Steelers offensive line coach has done a phenomenal job the last come years kind of mixing and matching with all those injuries they've had. But they've got to continue to get younger and more athletic. They've got to protect their quarterback. That is first and foremost. Peter Konz, the center from Wisconsin is a late one to mid two. I think Zeitler from Wisconsin is also in that same range |
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Devon Still, DT |
Devon Still has a great body, a great skill set. He helped himself this year but there is a consistency or lack of consistency factor that he's got to work on when he's talking to scouts and coaches about his ability to show up on every snap. (Asked if he can pass rush or run stop) I think he can do both. He's a gifted kid. When you're talking about these kind of players in the first round they better be able to do both or be so exceptional at one of them that it pushes them into the first round. |
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Mohamed Sanu, WR |
Some of them were of the sick variety. Just really impressive, one handed, beautiful catches. So he's a guy I want to like and believe in, but he's not sudden. He doesn't have great acceleration, and in the NFL, everything's going to be contested. That's where you get nervous with some of those big bodied guys. *Grade depends on combine |
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Alshon Jeffery, WR |
They're based middle of the field more than they are vertically. I think a vertical wide receiver could really help them *Grade depends on combine |
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Vinny Curry, OLB |
I know he's gotten himself into that late first to mid second consideration because of what he did at The Senior Bowl. Now he's got to continue the process, run well, do well in the meetings, present yourself well, work, and that's what this kid is. People are going to like him because he works so hard. |
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Dont'a Hightower, ILB |
-As far as the inside linebacker position is concerned, I really think that Luke Kuechly will be gone by the time you get there. I think a guy like Dont'a Hightower could be available in the first round, but there are positives and negatives about him. But he's a big, strong, downhill inside linebacker. |
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Reuben Randle, WR |
From my perspective, Randle should go in the second half of the first round, somewhere in that 20 to 30 range. If he comes into the combine and runs 4.38 at 208 pounds, that might change some things. He might go higher. But he's extremely well thought of. He's a guy that could fit for the 49ers depending on how this process plays out. |
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New England Patriots |
Whitney Mercilus, DE |
-There are a lot of teams including the Patriots that want a track meet every week, which means you've got to rush the quarterback and defend on the back end. -I think he's one of those borderline, late 1 to mid 2 type guys. I think where he will be helped though is that there aren't a whole lot of real strong defensive ends and outside linebackers in this draft. So that could push him up a little bit. |
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Peter Konz, OC |
Peter Konz, the center from Wisconsin is a late one to mid two. I think Zeitler from Wisconsin is also in that same range, and you might be able to get a guy like Ben Jones from Georgia late in the second round. I think, depending on how it plays out, I think there is a lot of flexibility with that interior offensive lineman draft. I think for the first three rounds, you can get a lot of quality at center or either guard. |
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Chargers
I see the chargers getting Mercilus or Nick Perry instead of Floyd because that is a much bigger need
Mayock stated that Mercilus would be a late 1st round pick, and didn't even mention Perry.
He did say that Floyd would go in the 15ish range, so that’s why I gave him to you guys. BPA plus the fact that you might lose VJax
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 20, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
I find it hard that Ozzie would pass on Mercilus. While our pass rush was good last year (3rd in the league with 48 sacks) half of them came against 4 teams. So we need more consistency, particularly opposite Suggs.
"Picture Me Rollin"
Mercilus works, though the Ravens were one team that he linked specifically with a player.
He mentioned both Dont’a Hightower as well as Reuben Randle.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 20, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
SD
Record developing big WRs: good
Record converting DEs from the state of Illinois into OLBs: not so good
Floyd is the better player.
My QB has 2 rings. Well, 3 if you want to get technical.
2012 NYG mock - 1: Dwayne Allen TE, 2: Brandon Boykin CB/RS, 3: A.J. Jenkins WR, 4: Vick Ballard RB, 5: Neiko Thorpe S, 6: Rishard Matthews WR/RS, 6: Blake DeChristopher G/T, 7: BPA
by ct17 on Feb 20, 2012 4:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Jets
If we got Coples I’d march the streets in a one-man parade.
Ha, I'd bet! Mayock doesn't like him too much because of his motor, but still said it'd be "logical" to put him near the top 10
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 20, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
THANK YOU
For finding that transcript. I was looking everywhere for it. I know how I will be spending my time from 7-9 tonight…
"Picture Me Rollin"
ha, its really long.
TWSS
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 20, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
He has Reuben Randle ranked ahead of Jeffrey in his rating right now, but has Jeffrey going before Randle?
"Picture Me Rollin"
I did the mock. He has Randle, Wright, Floyd, and Blackmon above Jeffrey and Sanu
Those were the only two prospects that didn’t have a 1st round grade on them. However, he said that was based on rumors of them being slow. “Big and fast is good. Big and slow is not”
So I’m assuming they do well and move up, that’s on me. On top of that, he linked San Francisco specifically with Randle.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 20, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
Hoping and praying that Washington pulls their usual antics and moves up to #2 to get RG3. Last thing I need to to go against him twice year along with Ben and Dalton.
"Picture Me Rollin"
lol no thanks. I'd rather not have to play him.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 20, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
you purply asshole!
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 20, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
i knew thats why you had the Browns getting him
Enjoy playing him twice a year. Hopefully the Skins will finally have a quarterback the rest of the East will fear.
My thoughts are like London Fletcher on the field: Everywhere. Oh, and Fear the Turtle!
by HailToTheRedskins on Feb 29, 2012 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
At least if he goes to Washington, they will run his career into the ground just like every other good player they’ve had there. Cleveland actually is building a fairly decent team, and Griffin could be the last piece.
"Picture Me Rollin"
Yea other than the fact that
The Redskins have gone from the oldest team in the league to the 3rd youngest in only 2 years. As well as the 31st ranked Defense to the 13th. But yea the Skins will be bad forever?
My thoughts are like London Fletcher on the field: Everywhere. Oh, and Fear the Turtle!
by HailToTheRedskins on Feb 29, 2012 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
I hope that happens too
Would much rather see the browns with mccoy throwing to blackmon
by JCompton41 on Feb 20, 2012 4:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
same here rather have RG3 throwing to Santana than Rex throwing to a safety and at least the browns give McCoy one more chance before giving him the axe if he can’t perform well with blackmon then u cut his ass
by skins721 on Feb 29, 2012 5:23 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
With Mike Adams on the board
Bears won’t take a safety
"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders
It's all about THE []_[] baby!!!
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the Bears really would take another mediocre OT prospect?
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Mediocre is better than what we currently have at LT
"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders
It's all about THE []_[] baby!!!
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so just draft another RT and hope it sticks?
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
you obviously have no idea what you're talking about
Mike Adams is considered one of the very few LTs in this draft and he’s a big mauler type which fits great in the Bears scheme
"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders
It's all about THE []_[] baby!!!
~"Smile when u being attacked,laugh when they talking boutcha,wave when they hating on u and Pray when they leave u alone Somethings wrong!"~ Deion Sanders
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you just called Adams a LT
and tried to play the “no idea what you’re talking about” card. LOL.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Feb 20, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
You truly are clueless
"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders
It's all about THE []_[] baby!!!
~"Smile when u being attacked,laugh when they talking boutcha,wave when they hating on u and Pray when they leave u alone Somethings wrong!"~ Deion Sanders
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by suckmyditka on Feb 21, 2012 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
LOL
I aint the one that wants a mediocre OL so my idiot QB can constantly get injured. But by all means….
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
and that comment proves your ignorance
"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders
It's all about THE []_[] baby!!!
~"Smile when u being attacked,laugh when they talking boutcha,wave when they hating on u and Pray when they leave u alone Somethings wrong!"~ Deion Sanders
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by suckmyditka on Feb 21, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
yea OK bub. Good luck with that and I hope the Bears do draft him.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Feb 21, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
you are actually the clueless one
Mike Adams is not going to be a LT in the NFL. A bunch of Ohio State fans told me straight up that if Adams is the same player they saw play for their Buckeyes, he is not capable of effectively manning the LT position
"The dictionary is the only place that success comes before work. Hard work is the price we must pay for success. I think you can accomplish anything if you're willing to pay the price." -Vince Lombardi
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So because "a bunch" of fans told you
it’s true?
He had a great senior bowl game/week and if he follows it up with a good combine he will go in the top 20 and will compete for a starting LT job somewhere in the NFL
I know my stuff and my sources aren’t just “some Ohio State fans”
"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders
It's all about THE []_[] baby!!!
~"Smile when u being attacked,laugh when they talking boutcha,wave when they hating on u and Pray when they leave u alone Somethings wrong!"~ Deion Sanders
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by suckmyditka on Feb 21, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
he knows what he is talking about..we dissect Jerry Reese GM of the World Champs every year on BBV
And the sad thing is an above averageBBV’er can outdraft your real GM,especially in the first 3 rounds.
Cheers to the Champs!
All the way to a Super Bowl victory like a knife through butter
JPP Is hands down the best DE in the NFL right now
Can't spell Elite without ELI
Jerry Reese for President 2012..let's make that happen!
by Shaunthegiant on Feb 21, 2012 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
Tannehill to the Seahawks?
I hope not.
Learn JiuJitsu.
Semper Fi'
Winter is coming.
by RolloTomasi on Feb 20, 2012 4:26 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I wouldn't give him to you either. I hate Tannehill as a prospect, mate. I was trying to go by Mike Mayock's
valuations, and as it says up there…he sees Tannehill as a 1st round QB.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 21, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
How is Brockers a "one year guy"
he didnt even have one year. Everyone talks about his explosiveness even though he has one of the slowest first steps i’ve ever seen. He also stands straight up and has very little pass rush. I’m not saying he doesnt have potential. But i havent seen enough in him to merit a first round pick.
I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was
It's what Mayock says, not me. I like Brockers, I think everyone on that LSU front, from Montgomery to Mingo to Brockers
are all first rounders. Brockers has the size/speed combo, and while his explosiveness isn’t great…I don’t think its below average. He does an excellent job of getting leverage though, and looks strong.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 21, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
Same ol' crap.
I stopped reading the transcript after a few pages because Mayock really doesn’t provide any more insight than I’d get right here at MTD. What a joke. Just more groupthink.
There's no way Khloe's a Kardashian. No frickin' way.
by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Feb 20, 2012 4:37 PM EST reply actions
It is what it is. I like Mayock
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 21, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
Just to be clear...
…I wasn’t criticizing you. I appreciate what you did here.
I’m just tired of everyone regurgitating the same ol’ mocks (i.e. Luke Kuechly going to the Eagles) and no one thinking for themselves. You’d think that someone who’s supposedly as connected and skilled at talent evaluation as Mayock would have some original ideas or insight. He doesn’t. It’s the same ol’ crap.
I find it disturbing that people ridicule Russ Lande because his mock deviates from the groupthink. We should be praising him for taking a chance and using his own eyes and brain to evaluate talent and consider team needs.
That’s what I liked about the latest mock from Jagsrok. He had some new ideas in it. Although my board differed from his, I liked his independent thinking.
Then you get this guy who views any deviation from the groupthink du jour as blasphemy. But I bet he’ll happily change his tune as the groupthinkers slowly find out what NFL scouts really think of these players. And then he’ll throw around meaningless phrases like “put simply, he’s a beast” to justify his revisionism.
It's like you're dreamin' about gorgonzola cheese when it's clearly brie time, baby!.
by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Feb 22, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
Ah, I got you. Though Mayock does deviate from the norm, and I think he scouts on his own.
I guess there are some things that are more or less slam dunks. Kuechly doesn’t really have any great weaknesses from what more or less everybody sees, had tremendous production. The Eagles, well….everybody knows what kind of shape their LB corps is in.
Mayock actually started the Kendall Wright bandwagon, and now has Reuben Randle up high. He has Kevin Zeitler in the first round.
I understand completely where you are coming from, though. I think as long as you can justify why you do things the way you do, its legit. Regardless of whether its based on a popular opinion or not.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 22, 2012 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
im not a big mayock fan, but:
Luke Kuechly going to the Eagles
it be like saying that luck isnt going to the colts.
unless someone big falls, kuechly may be a lock
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Feb 23, 2012 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
the only lock is the Eagles passing on him
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
No I'd say more a Mel Kiper draft
Bengals yes BPA is good I don’t think it’s Jerel Worthy but waste the 2nd on Dennard
if the bengals spend a 1st on dennard
I will be pissed! I’d take him in the second and make him a saftey, but even that is questionable.
by JCompton41 on Feb 20, 2012 11:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
thats why id move him to saftey.
I wouldn’t want him as a corner at all. And yea I can think of atleast 10 corners I’d take over him.
by JCompton41 on Feb 21, 2012 11:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Based on what Mayock says. Dennard is in Mayock's top 5 CBs and he said the Bengals would like to bring someone
in at CB to compete.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 21, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
I dont see dennard as a top 10 corner
He got destroyed by Jeffrey in the bowl game, and didn’t look good at the senior bowl from what I’ve read and seen.
by JCompton41 on Feb 21, 2012 5:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Barley top 10 for me stock has to be falling after Senior Bowl though.
by Mr.electric10 on Feb 21, 2012 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
Prince Amukamara got destroyed in similar fashion by Justin Blackmon, and went before the top 20 picks.
Dennard has more good tape than bad. Stock is currently pointing down, but I still think that at the end of the day, he’ll be a fringe 1st to early 2nd. During the season, he was a consensus top 15 guy before the bowl game.
In any case, this wasn’t my opinion, it was Mike Mayock’s based on his rankings. So I just put it there as an exercise. I didn’t believe that everyone would like it, but I suppose that wasn’t a point…was just trying to get a feel for how a top draft analyst would put together a mock by parsing his comments and valuations is all.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 21, 2012 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
and bengals will draft a cb
I just hope its not dennard. I’d be plenty happy with gilmore, and I’d settle for Jenkins, but hate dennard.
by JCompton41 on Feb 21, 2012 5:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
then the 49ers will not be going any further than the NFC championship game
You clearly need a number 1 receiver because Crabtree clearly isnt the guy
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That was more Adam Schefter actually
who stated in a tweet that “The 49ers will invest an early draft pick in a WR and go after one in FA”. On top of that, Mayock mentioned Randle specifically as someone the 9ers would have interest in.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 21, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
hahaha that was the point!
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 21, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously though
Nice mock. I would absolutely love it if the Browns made this trade so the Skins don’t trade away the top half of the next to drafts. A lot of Redskins fans would be pissed if we picked a corner at 6. They are obviously in denial about the state of this teams secondary. Claiborne is one guy that I seriously hope falls to #6.
Disagree!!!!!!!!
RGIII
My thoughts are like London Fletcher on the field: Everywhere. Oh, and Fear the Turtle!
by HailToTheRedskins on Feb 29, 2012 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
qb is the first issue cb can take a back seat and maybe we address it in free agency but Atlanta did the same thing last year the gave it all to get Julio Jones if we don’t do the same we will definitely be screwed next year. A cb isn’t going to throw the game winning TD pass the qb does
by skins721 on Feb 29, 2012 5:28 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Elite Cornerbacks are always available in Free Agency.
Just like elite offensive tackles. All you have to do is wait until they are 30+ and looking for a huge contract. Sounds very familiar, who’s been trading away draft picks and over paying for over the hill talent for years now…
Id like to think
The Bills would take Coples if he was there over Upshaw.
I like Upshaw but not at 10
If we were playing more of a traditional 34 and not a 43 hybrid, i would be more ok with it.
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-Steve Tasker-
Ah, see that was my bad. I forgot that you guys were showing both fronts. Mayock stated Upshaw as his top 3-4 OLB
and you guys are aiming for pass rushers…
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 21, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
No prob, foil
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 21, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
Hey if Mayock said Jeffery was a vertical WR
then he has to go to the Chargers cause they run the definition of a vertical system. haha I guess everyone is waiting on the combine to figure out this years nice wideouts. To me it’s clear Jeffery is going to be graded out much better than Floyd
Winning
I happen to like Jeffrey more than Floyd. Nobody else seems to think so.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 21, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
A lot of rumors about him floating around if Jeffery does well at the combine then I think he will be the 2nd or 3rd WR taken.
by Mr.electric10 on Feb 22, 2012 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
I would tend to agree. His stock is down because of these rumors, but right after
the season ended, most had him in the 12-15ish draft range. Gametape don’t change. If he can confirm via measurables, I saw plenty of good from him to warrant a 1st round pick.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 22, 2012 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
He certainly could, Mayock says teams see him as a late first round prospect
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 21, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
seriously dude, would've saved me some time lol
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 21, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
interesting project bbi
mayock s one of my faves too. one of the great shames in life is his being hidden away on the nflnetwork and doing viking games in the preseason.
mock looked good and had good insights with it(not surprizing considering the source).
i also think many a pack fan would be happy with curry, a high motor olb opposite clay.
by PackApologist on Feb 20, 2012 11:05 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Yessir. And yeah, this was one of the random projects I throw out every year.
Last year it was doing a draft based solely on consensus big boards with no look towards need. This year, its Mayock lol
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 21, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
thelions always draft bpa in the 1rd and the best center in this draft is konz if he thier he will be the the pick the lions will not pass on aplayer will add size to cener spot and will help the runing get going next year .
2 points on the Lions.
First, is that Mayock stated Lions are looking for either an LT, OLB, or CB. Mike Adams was gone, so there was no other OT with a 1st round grade. Secondly, Mayock mentioned Jenkins specifically as a Lions target, cause he’s in that draft range due to his “boom or bust” nature.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 21, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
That's good work on your part.
I hope other teams agree with him so Dallas can have either Coples or Ingram at #14. Too bad it looks like Curry has worked himself out of Dallas’s second round range.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Maybe just maybe
Curry shoots up into the discussion at 14 after the combine.
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by Rohpuri on Feb 21, 2012 10:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I mean Ware did it more or less in 2005 so nothing is impossible.
I mean if he puts up a 36"+ vert and a good short shuttle time than I would be fine with it. Can’t wait to see how these pass rushers test out. If we draft a guard in the first round I am going to be unhappy unless we pull a coup in the rest of the draft.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
What do you think
of Johnathan Massaquoi and Bruce Irvin?
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by Rohpuri on Feb 21, 2012 6:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Both for me will really rely on their combine workouts.
I like what I saw on tape for both because they each have that quick step that is the most necessary trait in a pass rusher. I wish they each would have participated in the Senior Bowl to get some idea of how they compare, but I certainly am intrigued by both.
As far as range, I still think that Irvin could work his way into the first round to a team like the Packers if he kills his workout like most think he will. Massaquoi is fighting some issues of name recognition so I see him being in play probably around the mid-2nd if he puts up a good workout.
Then again, you never know. I was a huge fan of Justin Houston and Christopher Carter last year (both had great combine numbers and production) but they both fell considerably farther than I expected. Right on cue of course, Houston finished last season on a tear for KC. Carter never really got a chance, but given the fact that he was behind Harrison, Woodley, and Wordlis, I don’t think anyone can be too surprised. Either way, I think teams are worse at finding talent than a lot of people give them credit for.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
The problem with Carter was
he got hurt early hamstring and never was healthy. Otherwise he would have had a opportunity since both Harrison and Woodley missed a lot of time.
I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
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by Steel in FL on Feb 22, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks Creasy.
And yeah, Curry’s senior bowl more or less solidified himself as a low 1-early 2.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 21, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
You know I'm a big fan of what you do BBI
Even though this is more like a Mike Mayock mock draft.
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 6...
I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
Win Ugly.
-Eli Manning for MVP
haha appreciate it broskie
This was more his thoughts, though I don’t really agree with all of ’em
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 21, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
Bucs - Richardson over Claiborne?
Was this because of something Mayock said? I see he said Claiborne was a 3-5 pick, did he say/imply Richardson would go higher?
No, nothing in particular. He thinks both are top 5 prospects. I could have gone either way.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 21, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
None of the teams picking in the top 16
Have a glaring need for RB. I like Trent Richardson, but I see him falling unless the Bengals trade up for him.
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by Rohpuri on Feb 21, 2012 10:50 AM EST via mobile reply actions
and thats why i dont see the bengals trading up
Unless its only a few spots to get in front of the jets. If he makes it past the dolphins who else would draft him?
by JCompton41 on Feb 21, 2012 11:07 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Darkhorse team
Would be Dallas…only because Felix probably won’t be back after 2012, Murray’s coming off a broken ankle and Tanner was banged up at the end of the year.
I won’t complain if Dallas did it, but he isn’t my first choices for the #14.
Right now my top 4 choices: DeCastro, Kirkpatrick, Ingram, Jenkins, and then if Richardson falls.
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by Rohpuri on Feb 21, 2012 11:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
My list of teams before Cincy that could use him especially as bpa
Browns, Bucs, Skins, dolphins, seahawks, cowboys, jets.
by Jonathan Hake on Feb 21, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
why do teams have to use the N word in order to draft Richardson?
he’s a once in a decade type RB and just like Adrian Peterson, teams are gonna regret passing on dude.
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by Rorschach44 on Feb 21, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Both he and AP would be drafted less than a decade apart.
Ergo, if they are both “once in a decade” players, neither are.
Drew Brees- the REAL MVP.
the term doesn't mean that for every 10 years, there's one player
unless you’re just being a doodoo head.
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If there's more than one player every 10 years
then it’s not a once-in-a-decade player. In this case, it would be twice-in-a-decade players
Drew Brees- the REAL MVP.
nah, you're just being annoying.
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by Rorschach44 on Feb 22, 2012 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
and tenure doesnt mean ten years
once in a blue moon doesnt mean that their will be a blue moon
etc
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the moon is never blue
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Feb 24, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
I think people without RB needs would still consider him. Mayock compares him directly with AP
stating that “like AP, he’d start banging the table to grab Richardson”
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 21, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
I love the Kalil pick for the vikes, it is a no brainer
however, If Kalil is gone at #2 to the Rams and the Vikes trade back a bit, I could see them pulling the trigger on Richardson as insurance for AD. Also there is a injury clause in his contract that start in 2012 that they could use to basically back out of all of it but a few million
Nice mock draft
I’d love it if the Cowboys got Kirkpatrick. Like Creasy said, it sucks that they can’t end with both Dre and Curry.
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by Rohpuri on Feb 21, 2012 11:13 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Yessir, though I think there's definitely some quality passrushers in the 2nd.
Jonathon Massaquoi, Chandler Jones, Andre Branch, Jared Crick….etc.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 21, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
Great job, B
My question to you is what he says about Dwayne Allen?
All the way to a Super Bowl victory like a knife through butter
JPP Is hands down the best DE in the NFL right now
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Jerry Reese for President 2012..let's make that happen!
by Shaunthegiant on Feb 21, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
He said he doesn't have a 1st round grade on any TE in the draft.
He sees the top guys as solid contributors, but not as much upside to be the next Gronk or Graham.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 21, 2012 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
No doubt. I am a big fan of Branch and Massaquoi.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Of those two
I really like Massaquoi, hopefully he tests well.
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by Rohpuri on Feb 21, 2012 6:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I like Massaquoi. Actually reminds me quite a bit of Osi.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 21, 2012 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
Johnathan Massaquoi is my sleeper for the second rd
I’d stay away from Chandler Jones-injuries and not much production. He’s got poster child bust pass rusher written all over him.
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by Rohpuri on Feb 21, 2012 6:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Curry and Ingram are my two favorites at pass rusher right now
I was hoping we could sneak Curry in the second rd, now the cat has been out of the bag in the past week or so.
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by Rohpuri on Feb 21, 2012 6:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
if the boys got kirkpatrick
teyd finally have someone to stop the giants and eagles passing attacks (well atleast 1 reciever).
i would hope he doesnt fall to you, or you do something dumb and pass on him like u did to amukamara last year.
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Feb 21, 2012 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
If we didn't have a need at Tackle
I think Prince would’ve been considered. The process was take the best tackle on their board over the guy who wasn’t as highly rated as Patrick Peterson.
I personally liked Prince, but after Peterson and Miller went off the board, Tyron Smith was their next option, and I liked that pick.
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yea, it was a need pick.
but so was CB.
its that prince was the etter player than tyron.
but tyron played at the bigger position of need.
i would have taken Prince if i were in your position.
their werent terrible options at the oline position in the 2-5 round range
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Feb 22, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
Tyron Smith is/was better than Prince
And he plays a more important position
by Worl'Boss on Feb 22, 2012 6:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
"was" last year. Can't say he is until we've got a bigger sample size
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 22, 2012 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
true.
But even if they’re even, Tyron Smith is still the better pick.
by Worl'Boss on Feb 22, 2012 9:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i still disagree
oline was still somewhat a problem for the boys last year.
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Feb 23, 2012 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
Tyron Smith never was better then Prince.
he’s a RT and was drafted in the top 10. Terrible pick.
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by Rorschach44 on Feb 22, 2012 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
Tyron Smith
only plaued RT at U$C cause Kalil was there.
The Cowboys drafted him with the idea to move him to LT by either 2012 or 2013. He graded out as the best tackle prospect in last season’s draft.
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by Rohpuri on Feb 23, 2012 1:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
he was an upperclassman
if he was that good, he plays the premium position over the sophmore. And actually it was more so he was way too small to play LT and they didn’t want a 260lbs guy protecting Barkley’s blindside.
And please, move him to the left side.
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by Rorschach44 on Feb 23, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
Tyron Smith
In 2010, he was the best offensive lineman in the Pac 10.
At his pro-day weighed in 6’5 307, with 11 inch hands, and 36 3/8 inch long arms.
In 2011, Graded out as the 4th best OT according to Pro Football Focus, with a grade of +13.7
He made the 2011 All-Rookie team.
Today the Cowboys made it official, per Todd Archer, that Doug Free and Tyron Smith will be switching positions.
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by Rohpuri on Feb 23, 2012 3:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Sounds like a really good pick to me
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by Rohpuri on Feb 23, 2012 3:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
lol...PFF is terrible.
and that news, per Archer, is good news.
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lol U$C
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Feb 23, 2012 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
That's been around for a while now
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
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by The Night Owl on Feb 23, 2012 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
not one of the internet guys like that.
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Feb 23, 2012 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
As a San Diego St fan and Alum
I always refer to the Trojans as U$C. It’s not a knock on their tradition or anything, it’s just my little way of poking fun.
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by Rohpuri on Feb 24, 2012 12:06 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
i find it hialrious.
and they were one of the firsts in the recent era of scandals
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Feb 24, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
the unbolded part of your statement is correct
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Feb 23, 2012 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
How many of those Rookie OTs
graded out as the 4th best OT during the 2011 season according to Pro Football Focus?
Smith was the best tackle prospect last season according to NFLDraftScout.
The Cowboys draft BPA, and in their mind, Smith was the BPA after Miller, Peterson, and Smith were off the board. If they didn’t think highly of Tyron Smith, they would’ve traded down. Tyron Smith as of today was promoted to LT.
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by Rohpuri on Feb 23, 2012 5:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Pro Football Focus
ive seen many of their so called renkings on BBV articles b4, they suck.
The Cowboys draft BPA, and in their mind, Smith was the BPA after Miller, Peterson, and Smith were off the board. If they didn’t think highly of Tyron Smith, they would’ve traded down. Tyron Smith as of today was promoted to LT.
now hold up here
your taking this as im saying tyron wasnt good, he was. thats why he was drafted high.
but he isnt better than prince.
and he was of a need position
the cowboys drafted need, not BPA
who are you to say prince wasnt the better player in their opinions?
they just drafted to their bigger need then to the better player, it happens all the time.
see christian ponder, mark sanchez, the 88 year old watkins, etc.
if teams wanna win, they need to draft BPA
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Feb 23, 2012 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
A couple of things
1) I checked up nfldraftscout. Tyron Smith was the #1OT and Prince was the #2 CB. However, you’re correct, at least according to nflds, Prince was the slightly better player #6 overall, while Smith was #10 best player. We don’t know how the 32 teams had the two ranked. My hunch, is the Cowboys either had the two guys even or they graded Smith slightly higher given his athleticism, his youth (he turned 21 last yr) and how he projected to play LT down the road.
2) I feel like you’re implying it was a reach to take Smith when you site your examples. I won’t call taking Tyron Smith (#10 ranked player) with the 9th pick in the first round a “reach” like the Vikings using the 12th pick in the first round on Christian Ponder (4th best QB #32 ranked player) or the Eagles taking Danny Watkins (#31 ranked player) with the 23rd pick in the first round.
3) I do agree BPA is the best approach.
4) If you’re going to tell me Pro Football Focus “sucks” at least give me an explanation. From what I know about the website, they grade players in a similar fashion to how teams grade their players internally.
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by Rohpuri on Feb 24, 2012 12:03 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
fair enough
1- yea, they were both ranked high, just some had prince anywhere form 4-7
where i saw tyron from 8-15. in truth rankings dont matter, tyron is a project where prince was a play now player.
2-im more saying it was a need pick then a reach, their were certaintly several better options.
3- yea, more championship teams are built on BPA through draft and need through FA.
4- People seem to think that PFF is like this supreme overlord on judging players, but its not. not even close.
i remember reading multiple articles at BBV, after each game ed would post the PFF numbers for all the players. and usually they were completley off-base. they looked at stats instead of watching the games.
and a lot of the time, they had terrible rankings for players that ultimatley won the game. or played very well throughout the game.
it was then i realid that their just another website. they just look at stats, and they are more respectible ESPN.
PFF is no way to judge a player
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Feb 24, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
Dontari Poe
BBI – I guess you project him to slip into the 2nd round? Mayock seemed crazy about him, both on the conference call and NFL Network.
He has Poe, Still, Brockers, Worthy as first round grades at DT.
Just couldn’t find a place for him. I think he had Brockers as his highest pick – top 10. He mentioned that Worthy could “fall” to 15 and possibly be a target for the Eagles….
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 21, 2012 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
Browns
This moving up for two 1st rounders is plain stupid. Neither the Ram or Vikes need a QB, and Cleveland already has one that would be serviceable/caretaker for another season if he doesn’t progress. That leaves washington and I would bet that Allen & Shanny have already spoken to all 3 teams, with Cleveland giving the better terms.
Dude, I just do not give a damn what all the RGIII all-in or nothing fans say or want. Holmgren & Heckert will do whats best to bring the browns back to the winning ways, and that means plenty of talent on the team. You don’t get that by shipping all of your difference making picks to a team for one player.
How well did the Herschell Walker, Ricky Williams, & Julio Jones trades work out for the teams that broke the bank to get these players? Herschell didn’t work out in Minny – though Dallas got to do a really fast rebuild and win Super Bowls in part due to the trade. The Saints really didn’t get anything out of Ricky, and the juries still out on Julio.
A bargain is something you don't need at a price you can't resist....
If I agreed with you we'd both be wrong!
My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch!
Once you start agreeing with TDSH, you know that you're wrong.
Cleveland trades back from #4 to #7, Jags take Blackmon, Browns trade back again to either 12, 14 or 15, take the best DE left, then take WR with the #22. The picks in the 2nd plus the extras & 3rd round are used to get LB, WR, CB, OL, RB. Don’t be fooled by Holmgrens grand fatherly demeanor.
A bargain is something you don't need at a price you can't resist....
If I agreed with you we'd both be wrong!
My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch!
Once you start agreeing with TDSH, you know that you're wrong.
I don't think Cleveland does that either. I put it in there because the point of the exercise
was WWMD? (What Would Mayock Do?) LOL….but trust me, I completely agree with what you are saying. I’m not a fan of trading up…period, because I don’t think you ever get equal value in return. However, if you have your heart set on a players’ skillset…well…that’s what drives those sorts of trades.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 21, 2012 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
Atlanta didn't miss the 2011 picks they gave up.
Going into 2011 the biggest need for them was another WR opposite Roddy. Julio gave them a great weapon.
Look who the Browns ended up with instead, Greg Little? Please, give me Julio over him every time.
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by Rohpuri on Feb 22, 2012 4:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
It’s hilarious that out of all your “for one player” examples, none are QBs (Walker/Williams/Jones). It shows you don’t understand how a winning NFL team is constructed.
QB is the single most important position in sports. We could have two picks in every round of every draft, but we’ll still be 4-12 every year if we don’t (drastically) improve the QB position. If you don’t have one, you have to get one. The Browns don’t have one. Now is the Perfect time to get one.
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What you don’t understand is the fact that it’s a TEAM sport! You give up multiple difference making draft spots for a QB to throw to whom? The worst wide receiver corps in the entire league, not to mention half of a quality offensive line. They tried that before and ruined a damn fine QB.
A bargain is something you don't need at a price you can't resist....
If I agreed with you we'd both be wrong!
My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch!
Once you start agreeing with TDSH, you know that you're wrong.
Couch would do backflips to have this line.
Of course it’s a team sport, but not every player’s role is equal. This is a QB league, the difference between good ones and bad ones is vast compared to the same about other positions.
Just look around the league. Name a successful team that built up every position but the singularly most important one (QB), and then got their QB as one of the last pieces. You can’t do it. Because literally every successful team gets the QB, and then builds around him. Every one.
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Steelers of
2004 beg to differ
I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
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by Steel in FL on Feb 29, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
i would love this giants draft
Dear fox.... Fire Aikman and buck. they suck
Desean Jackson IS a punk....................UNLEASH Eli
"We’re going to turn this team around 360 degrees." –Jason Kidd
"If you come to a fork in the road, take it" -Yogi Berra
SBXVI Champs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I told YOU ALL... 5 months ago i was the only one who bELIeved, HELL YEA!!!!
by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Feb 21, 2012 8:05 PM EST reply actions
when will sanu get the respect he deserves?
he is much better than randle, jeffrey, and floyd.
and besides speed is better at all other parts of the game than wright.
will we really have to wait till the end of next tuesday for sanu to get his due???
Dear fox.... Fire Aikman and buck. they suck
Desean Jackson IS a punk....................UNLEASH Eli
"We’re going to turn this team around 360 degrees." –Jason Kidd
"If you come to a fork in the road, take it" -Yogi Berra
SBXVI Champs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I told YOU ALL... 5 months ago i was the only one who bELIeved, HELL YEA!!!!
by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Feb 21, 2012 8:09 PM EST reply actions
I was looking at the Draft Pick Value Calculator
Cleveland doesn’t have to give up both 1st rd picks to get the deal done. All they need to do is give up #4, #37 (or next year’s 1st rd pick), their 3rd rd pick, and their fourth rd pick.
If Cleveland does that, they’d have the number 2, the 22, and the Falcons second round pick, plus their 5th, 6th, and 7th.
The Redskins have 0 chance to land RG3 as long as Cleveland is willing to move.
a) There’s a 200 point disparity between the #4 and the #6-to make up that difference, the Redskins would have to punt this entire draft, and still might not be able to match the point total, from the Cleveland package I mentioned above, unless they include multiple picks from 2013.
b) Moving down to #4 insures the Rams get either Blackmon or Kalil
c) Moving down to #6 the Rams very likely miss out on both
Tag Team name for Sean Lee and Bruce Carter is RUSH HOUR
only one mistake with above picks,
its the falcons 4th rd pick the browns have beside the 1 rd from the JJ Trade last year ;)
by DanishFalcons on Feb 22, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
cool, thanks for the fact check
My eyes were getting lost starting at picks I forgot to self edit.
Tag Team name for Sean Lee and Bruce Carter is RUSH HOUR
That would be a tough time for the Texans to choose between Jeffery & Sanu
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
the combine will helpe clear that up
Tag Team name for Sean Lee and Bruce Carter is RUSH HOUR
by Rohpuri on Feb 22, 2012 4:07 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
if sanu is available...
sanu will blow up the combine barring injury
Dear fox.... Fire Aikman and buck. they suck
Desean Jackson IS a punk....................UNLEASH Eli
"We’re going to turn this team around 360 degrees." –Jason Kidd
"If you come to a fork in the road, take it" -Yogi Berra
SBXVI Champs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I told YOU ALL... 5 months ago i was the only one who bELIeved, HELL YEA!!!!
by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Feb 22, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
can't wait till he runs a 4.7
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
rofl
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 22, 2012 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
4.7 100?
if you mean 40, i think you are off by about .3
Dear fox.... Fire Aikman and buck. they suck
Desean Jackson IS a punk....................UNLEASH Eli
"We’re going to turn this team around 360 degrees." –Jason Kidd
"If you come to a fork in the road, take it" -Yogi Berra
SBXVI Champs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I told YOU ALL... 5 months ago i was the only one who bELIeved, HELL YEA!!!!
by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Feb 23, 2012 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
I think I was off by 0.03
he basically ran a 4.7. LOL.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
haha.
u still dont know what ur talking about if you think he’s slow
Dear fox.... Fire Aikman and buck. they suck
Desean Jackson IS a punk....................UNLEASH Eli
"We’re going to turn this team around 360 degrees." –Jason Kidd
"If you come to a fork in the road, take it" -Yogi Berra
SBXVI Champs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I told YOU ALL... 5 months ago i was the only one who bELIeved, HELL YEA!!!!
by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Mar 3, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think he's slow
he’s proven he’s slow.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
than you dont know what ur talking about.
speed isnt straight line speed.
if thats all you care about
then you’ve clearly never played the game
Dear fox.... Fire Aikman and buck. they suck
Desean Jackson IS a punk....................UNLEASH Eli
"We’re going to turn this team around 360 degrees." –Jason Kidd
"If you come to a fork in the road, take it" -Yogi Berra
SBXVI Champs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I told YOU ALL... 5 months ago i was the only one who bELIeved, HELL YEA!!!!
by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Mar 4, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
Explain
Im coming around on Sanu but I think the combine will most likely hurt his value as speed isnt one of his strengths. Why do you think he will preform so well?
by Mr.electric10 on Feb 22, 2012 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
speed isnt a weakness for him
its more the routes he ran than the speed he ran them at.
he barely ran a route past 5 yards, when he did. the ball was underthrown a lot of the time.
he returned punts and he broke several of them, and had several more big ones when they put him back their.
in the wildcat, he ran fo 20+ runs
speed was never a problem for him.
he just wasnt used in a way to showcase his speed.
he’s very agile, and has good ups.
he is no desean jackson, but he isnt like a TE out their either.
people still complain about jerry rice’s speed, yet he was still pretty fast.
no barry sanders fast.
but for a WR he was above average.
sanu is like that
Dear fox.... Fire Aikman and buck. they suck
Desean Jackson IS a punk....................UNLEASH Eli
"We’re going to turn this team around 360 degrees." –Jason Kidd
"If you come to a fork in the road, take it" -Yogi Berra
SBXVI Champs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I told YOU ALL... 5 months ago i was the only one who bELIeved, HELL YEA!!!!
by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Feb 23, 2012 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
People get caught up in speed.
There’s a difference between Track Speed and Game Speed.
Jerry Rice had game speed, but wasn’t a natural speedster, rather he was a very quick to get in and out of his cuts, with fluid movement, and knew where to be for all his routes.
Deion Sanders had something close to track speed which translated to the field because he was also very quick, fluid in his movements, as well as having great instincts for his position.
Tag Team name for Sean Lee and Bruce Carter is RUSH HOUR
by Rohpuri on Feb 24, 2012 12:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
thats kinda what i mean.
the 40 is great to judge a player if your having him running 9 routes all game
Dear fox.... Fire Aikman and buck. they suck
Desean Jackson IS a punk....................UNLEASH Eli
"We’re going to turn this team around 360 degrees." –Jason Kidd
"If you come to a fork in the road, take it" -Yogi Berra
SBXVI Champs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I told YOU ALL... 5 months ago i was the only one who bELIeved, HELL YEA!!!!
by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Feb 24, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
Yep.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Just to point out too
I want to say Jerry Rice ran a 4.7 40 at the combine too. lol
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
by Jack'sAxe on Feb 29, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
this
Dear fox.... Fire Aikman and buck. they suck
Desean Jackson IS a punk....................UNLEASH Eli
"We’re going to turn this team around 360 degrees." –Jason Kidd
"If you come to a fork in the road, take it" -Yogi Berra
SBXVI Champs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I told YOU ALL... 5 months ago i was the only one who bELIeved, HELL YEA!!!!
by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Mar 3, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
Rice sandbagged his 40's
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Mar 4, 2012 11:41 PM EST up reply actions

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