Your Mocks Are All Wrong, Pats Will Use One and Only One 1st Rounder
by Middlesex on Feb 7, 2012 7:39 PM EST
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PrintPats fan here. Congrats to the Giants, and now onto 2012 like nothing happened two days ago.
Anyways, you all are correct that the Pats hold the 27th overall and 31st overall picks in the 1st round. But please, take it from a Pat's fan; the Pats won't use both of those picks. One of them, most likely the 31st overall pick, is going to be traded to another team. I can probably pick the exact position that's going to be picked up, but that's not the point; the Pats know they can get some team to trade their 2013 1st rounder for the 31st overall. There's always a team willing to do it, knowing if they don't they'll probably lose their chance at a player they want that's a value at the pick. The Pats will try to get a lower-round 2012 pick as well, but as it pertains to 1st round picks, let's just stop pretending like the Pats will actually pull the trigger with the 31st overall pick. Unless an incredible talent has fallen that far I just don't see it happening.
Behind the Pats are the New York Giants, the Indianapolous Colts, and the St. Louis Rams. The Giants lost their top-2 TEs Sunday night to torn ACLs and the Giants will likely consider restocking that position. In Indy, the regime-change continues with Dallas Clark likely to leave and the Colts likely to find themselves in need of a TE. I could picture the Rams going for one if available, too.
How many teams are going to want that 31st pick before the Giants and Colts to secure the best TE in the draft?
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I totally disagree
While it is feasible that they Pats only use one, I am not really buying your argument that teams are going to be dying to move up to that 31st pick. I think that the talent at TE is high enough that teams needing a TE might prefer to hold onto their picks and get a Fleener or Charles to be their TE.
Having said that, you can only trade out of the 31st spot if there is a taker, and I am not thinking any team is going to want to trade up THAT badly for the #1 TE in the draft.
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There's always a talent left hanging,
always a team thinking they’re one play-maker away from a run, and always an owner, GM, and/or coach who likes making bold moves.
It is what it is
fine
still not sure Dwayne Allen is the kind of guy teams are dying to trade up for.
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Doesn't have to be him,
but I could see a team deciding that they need to add a new dimension to their offense. As it pertains to the TE position, I see it especially-strongly there because of the teams coming after 31st.
I doubt Peter Konz or Mark Barron are available for a team to drool over here, but who knows who else could be available?
It is what it is
I could see the Pars trading the pick...
But not for a future first rounder. I think the could get a future second and fourth but the value of a future first is, in mho, more valuable than the current 31st pick. Just mho!
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by mho on Feb 12, 2012 6:47 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I'll have to agree
i was thinking about the same thing too, after the 1st 1st rounder, they will look for a trading partner for a future 1st and probably a 2nd and a 3rd in 2012 NFL draft
Eh, doubt they'll get both a 2nd and 3rd...
…unless there is a lot of competition, and even then, that’s a lot.
I’d point to the Pats/Saints deal from last year for NO to secure Mark Ingram. The 2011 28th overall pick went for their 2011 2nd rounder and 2012 1st rounder. I’m skeptical a team would give both their 2nd and 3rd rounder for the 31st overall, and find a 3rd rounder more likely along with the 2012 1st rounder.
It is what it is
the Pats know they can get some team to trade their 2013 1st rounder for the 31st overall.
But when are they actually going to use that extra pick. They traded away Seymour, than traded away that 1st round pick for a next years pick, then traded that pick for next year, then traded that pick for next year.
What is the point of trading away these first round picks if you guys aren’t going to use them? I can understand if a crap team does it and you want to wait for next year, but at some point that pick is going to have to be used. Why not just use both of this year, pick up two first round defensive players (that your team desperately needs).
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Because sooner or later,
that 1st round draft pick will come from a team who doesn’t have a great year. Pats essentially traded the 28th overall last year for the 50-ish of that year’s draft and this year’s 27th. We moved up a spot and got a second-rounder out of it last year, which we used on Shane Vereen. It’s really the only chance the Pats have to get within the top-20 of the draft.
It is what it is
So you guys waited a year to move up one spot?
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by manraj7 on Feb 8, 2012 2:14 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
the pick aquired for seymour was used last year
the pats drafted nate solder with the pick aquired by the raiders.
Looks like a pretty good pick, too
When Light leaves, I’ll feel pretty good about having Solder and Vollmer bracketing the line.
I also like cannon and i hope waters has 1 more year in him
light had a great year this past season and he is signed for this upcoming season as well. we need a young center to groom for koppen and our line is set for the future.
by brady12mvp3 on Feb 10, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't be surprised if Koppen is gone
Connolly is a little more versatile, so he could be a caretaker starter for a year.
I tell you, though, if Konz is still available at 27 or even 31, I know center isn’t the team’s biggest need, but I really hope they take a good long look at him. He has a bit of a nasty streak in him, and if Mankins could get his back we would have a dominant line with Light/Solder, Waters, Vollmer, and Cannon.
And speaking of Cannon, I wonder if he’s going to be Waters’ replacement at RG when he retires. Think about that line — Solder, Mankins, whoever the center is, Cannon, and Vollmer. Just get Brady an actual deep threat and fix the damn defense already and we’ll be back in the Super Bowl soon enough.
Belichick is being absolutely brilliant, in my opinion.
He basically used Richard Seymour to get an endless stream of draft picks. He traded Richard Seymour for a first round pick in 2011. So the Patriots had two first round picks in 2011. He used the higher of the draft picks, then traded the second one away for a first rounder in 2012 and a second rounder in 2011. This year, the Pats have two first rounders again. Belichick will likely trade the lower of the two first round picks for a first rounder in 2013, and a second or third rounder in 2012. So basically he has an annuity of an extra second or third round pick every single year. So sure, he traded away Richard Seymour for only one first round pick, but with the flexibility of having two first round picks, Belichick essentially will always have two first round picks, and an extra second or third round pick every single year.
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by BigRussNovak on Feb 11, 2012 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
Must have quite an imagination
I could picture the Rams going for one if available, too.
Really?
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If the Rams drafta TE St. Louis will burn
They have drafted three in the last two years.
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2012 NYG mock - 1: Dwayne Allen TE, 2: Brandon Boykin CB/RS, 3: A.J. Jenkins WR, 4: Vick Ballard RB, 5: Neiko Thorpe S, 6: Rishard Matthews WR/RS, 6: Blake DeChristopher G/T, 7: BPA
Like your mock draft there.
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It is what it is
I just don't see a whole lot of demand for TE
Rams won’t move up, they got Lance Kendricks last year, and I think the Colts are much more likely to take Coby Fleener just because of the rapport he already has with Luck.
I agree that the Pats will most likely try to move one of their 1st rounders, I just don’t think it’ll happen for the reason you’re stating.
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I can see
da hoodie making interest off you dumb gm. haha Who knows they could even trade up, thats one way to get the guy you want.
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agreed
If the pats trade away their lower first rounder again this year they’ll likely get a future first and second for this year. If they were to do this every year they would continually get a free second round pick every year. Pats need the extra picks as their recent draft history isn’t that great.
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by Let's Go Buffalo (UK) on Feb 8, 2012 2:49 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Exactly
And they’ve been doing it for years. And a few years ago, their acquired #1 pick turned out to be in the top 10. They traded down for an extra pick and Jerod Mayo.
I’m thinking of it this way: let’s say some team in search of a QB doesn’t see the value in picking one in the top 10 or 15 this year with Luck and RG3 off the board — say, Miami or Seattle. Now let’s say someone like Tannehill is still available at 31 and they think he’s good value there. They could very well offer us their #2 pick this year plus next year’s #1, so the Pats get a pretty good second round pick this year and whatever next year’s #1 turns out to be. Now let’s say that have another lousy year (as bad teams often do for several years) and that #1 pick turns out to be in the top 10 next year. Is anyone really going to say that’s a bad trade for the Pats?
As a Pats fan, it’s frustrating as hell to know that they could shore up the defensive line, improve the pass rush, get a safety who is actually qualified to play football or a wideout who doesn’t suck while getting paid millions, or upgrade at center. But a free second round pick and a shot at a vastly improved first rounder next year is probably better value in the long run.
How about the other side of the coin?
We are all just speculating and guessing. None of us have any clue what the Pats will do come draft day. They are one of the hardest teams to predict in my opinion. But what if they decided to trade UP into the top half of the 1st round to get that big time WR that Brady needs to make that offense truely unstoppable? I could see it happening and they have the picks to do it without losing out on a round completely. Just another thought.
I like Dont'a Hightower if we can trade into the 25ish range in the first. Think he is going to be a great NFL ILB and would look great beside DJ. He is known as a run stuffer who is pretty good on the blitz but what I saw when watching him play was a very smart footbal player and a leader on the nations best D. Haven't really seen anyone else say that he plays well in coverage but vs. LSU he was excellent in coverage. If we can move down and pick up more picks that's who I take.
Mohamed Sanu will likely be available at 27th overall
and he’s the kind of player who could be groomed to be a feature-WR.
It is what it is
While trading away and stock piling picks has worked
This last season should show, that you still need talent on your team to win it all. The Patriots are lacking talent on the Defensive side of the ball. I believe they will be using both of their picks to help solidify that weaknesses.
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Am I missing something?
I see what you are saying, but rather than wait for someone to have a bad year and have that pick turn into a better pick… Why not just trade both the 27th & 31st to move UP and draft a better play now? You could likely get a team in mid round 15-20 to make that deal.
Two things are different now.
1. first rounds picks don’t cost as much hence they’re worth more for the Pats.
2. Bill has to finally realize its not good he has so many starting UDFA with so many second round defensive players busting on him he needs to change his strategy.
I would not be surprised to see the Patriots trade their 1st this year to the Raiders for their first next year
Altho it is not conventional wisdom it could possibly make the 31st this year into another top ten pick next year. Altho I see the logic that many have used on this thread to use every pick for another SB run I agree with Middlesex that they will continue trading down & essentially have an extra 2nd rd. pick every year.
This also allows a perrenial-contender to
have a 1st round pick before the late-20’s every year.
It is what it is
Think of the extra first-rounder as an annuity
As long as they don’t need that pick “too badly” (and even this year, I don’t think you can argue that they need it “too badly”), they can trade it forward and pick up an extra pick or two in “interest”. [They did it in 2007: after getting the first from Seattle, they used the “interest” they got in the trade to land Randy Moss.]
In other words, they can take ONE extra first-rounder, and turn it into an extra premium pick EVERY year.
I would make an offer for the Pats 2012, 1st (27th) & 2nd rounder for the Browns 2013 1st rounder. Though it would have to be after the perfect storm of tradebacks for Cleveland.
RGIII falls to #4, trade that to the Redskins picking up the #6, 2nd & 2013 2nd & 3rd, then trading to the #7 and let the Jags take Blackmon, picking up an extra 2nd rounder, Then trading to Dallas or Philly for there 2nd & 3rd rounders. That leaves Cleveland with multiple 2012 picks.
14th or 15th & #22 (thanks again Atlanta) pick in the first
- 36th pick and adding 3 extra 2nd rounders
- 68th pick and 2 extra 3rd rounders
Two fourth round picks (thanks again Atlanta)
5th -7th
That leaves Cleveland with 9 picks in the first 3 rounds, and if we amade the trade with you guys, it moves up to 11.
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How about this;
Imagine if the Pats trade back both the 27th and 31st picks into the second round and next year, meaning they get 3 1st rounders in 2013 and 4 2nd rounders in 2012. MADNESS.
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