SBNation NFL Mock Draft, Pick 6: The New York Jets Select...
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Pick by NY Landing StripGlenn Dorsey Defensive Tackle Louisiana State |
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With the sixth overall selection in the 2008 SB Nation NFL Mock Draft, the New York Jets select Glenn Dorsey, DT, LSU. Mack Rosenberg, head blogger at SB Nation's Jets blog, NY Landing Strip, was pleased to see Dorsey available and expresses his glee at being able to select him:
Well, basically it was a matter of who was left. I knew I wasn't taking any offensive players, and Silver and Black Pride made it that much easier for me NOT to take McFadden, which if you read NY Landing Strip, you'll know I am very against the idea of taking him. Dorsey is huge, he has the versatility on the line that we need, and with the rumors about Dewayne Robertson talking with the Broncos again about a possible trade to Denver, there's no reason why Dorsey can't be his replacement.
The guy is an absolute monster on the line, and I figure to see him along with Kris Jenkins and Shaun Ellis making the big hits for us. Aside from his talents, Dorsey was obviously the best player available, as most people have him going in the top three somewhere. Although I'll be honest with you, with the two Longs draft stock soaring over the last couple of months or so, Dorsey has somewhat fallen. I think he would be the perfect compliment to a much improved defense that has all but a young presence on the line.
Matt Miller, host of this site as well as owner of New Era Scouting, provides his analysis below:
One thing that I have learned from my time working with and for NFL teams is that you draft for your scheme. With that in mind, where does Glenn Dorsey play in a 3-4? He has no experience as nose tackle, and is not built to be an end in this defense. The Jets are building a defense based on the Patriots 34, in knowing this, who does Dorsey compare to? He's not the tall, thick end that Richard Seymour and Ty Warren are. He's no Vince Wilfork either.
Glenn Dorsey is a three-technique tackle, at best when he's splitting a double team and man-handling guards. Putting him over the center is wasting his talent, and it's asking him to be a run-stopper when he is not. Dorsey is a penetrator, not a hole plugger. The up-side to this pick is that Dorsey is one hell of a player. He may not be conventional, but it is hard to ignore his overall talent.
The Jets ignored what is clearly their biggest need, a cornerback. With every one of the top cornerbacks on the board, New York is looking past an apparent need to grab a name player.
Grade: D :: Glenn Dorsey Scouting Report - New Era Scouting :: Matt Miller's Top Five Prospects Remaining - 1. QB Matt Ryan, 2. CB Leodis McKelvin, 3. OT Ryan Clady, 4. LB Keith Rivers, 5. CB Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie
And with that, we come to one of the more intriguing teams picking in the top ten - the New England Patriots. SB Nation is currently out a Pats blogger, as Tommasse, who headed up Pats Pulpit for a number of years, has decided to "retire" from blogging duties. We wish him the best; in his stead, the fine community that he has meticulously built over the years are working on making a community selection for the Patriots, with some input from SB Nation's AFC East bloggers. So, Pats Pulpit - you're now officially on the clock.
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I love Dorsey...
... I think he's going to be an absolute monster at the NFL level. But Matt hit the nail on the head - it's all about scheme, and Dorsey, like his "predecessor" Robertson, is just out of place in a 3-4. Still, part of me dreads seeing Dorsey in green and white as a Bills fan...
by Brian Galliford on Apr 2, 2008 10:07 AM EDT 0 recs
Agree
Dorsey doesn't fit here. CB Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie or even QB Matt Ryan are better suited for the J-E-T-S.
This is what I love about SB Nation's mock draft. You get what fans want (Mack's write-up is perfectly rational) but Matt's counter-point is very important to gauge as well.
I'll stress that in the modern NFL, you absolutely, positively have to have a game changing QB to win. The Jets don't have that, and Kellen Clemens won't become that.
by bigblueshoe on
Apr 2, 2008 10:15 AM EDT
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dorsey is great
by NickPampani on Apr 2, 2008 11:08 AM EDT 0 recs
J-E-T-S
The only way they would pass on a QB here is because they feel like they have their future in Clemens. Since most of us agree that doesn't look likely, in this situation the Jets would be pressured to take Ryan. However, that is a lot of QBs on the roster. I'd look more for a trade back in this "real" situation.
by MattMiller on
Apr 2, 2008 12:05 PM EDT
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IMHO
I personally would give Clemens a year or two more. With the instant gratification mentality of the league, it makes it almost impossible for young QB's to develop. If the Jets saw something in him that warranted them drafting him in the second round, they should give him a year or two more to prove himself.
But I personally would wait until the second round if I was looking for a QB in the draft. I am not so high on Ryan. I question his decision making. I don't think there are any elite QB prospects in this draft. I think there are a lot of second tier QB's though. There is Henne, Woodson, Flacco, and Brohm. I am not sure if Josh Johnson is a second rounder, but I think a team could get a steal by drafting him. I really like his potential.
by Burt D on
Apr 2, 2008 1:19 PM EDT
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hey
now I'm not saying clemons is a bust, rather don't be afraid to admit if he is.
by NickPampani on
Apr 2, 2008 1:52 PM EDT
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There is a good chance he could be a bust
but I don't think anyone can say that about a QB after only two years in the league. It takes a long time for QB's to develop. People need to be more patient not just with Clemens but with any young QB.
by Burt D on
Apr 2, 2008 2:13 PM EDT
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That was absolutely awful
Dorsey may be the best player on the board, but good lord you run a 3-4. If that was the Cowboys I sure as heck hope they wouldn't have drafted him. Where are you going to play him?
Your running game was pretty underwhelming last year. Rashard Mendenhall would have been a great pick for you. Thomas Jones is on the downside of his career, and Leon Washington will be nothing more than a third down back/STer.
A Leodis McKelvin pick would have have also provided you with the best young corner back duo in the league. McKelvin would have also have given you a devin hester type punt returner.
by Burt D on Apr 2, 2008 11:29 AM EDT 0 recs
This pick is pretty accurate
Lets face it, this is the Jets we're talking about. They've made more bad picks then anybody else in the history of the draft. This one isn't terrible, or along the lines of say Kyle Brady, but it's pretty much right in line with their history.
by sireric on Apr 2, 2008 12:27 PM EDT 0 recs
Scheme
I would argue rather than drafting for a certain scheme you should get the best players available and scheme around them.
by DonFrancisco on Apr 2, 2008 5:40 PM EDT 0 recs
Eh..
That works in High School and even college, but in the NFL everything you do is scheme. Ask an NFL coach what the difference is between the NFL and College and he'll tell you that you don't coach, you scheme. You need players who fit what systems you know. Look at the most successful franchises (NE, Indy, Dallas), they are all drafting for a scheme.
by MattMiller on
Apr 2, 2008 5:56 PM EDT
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Also...
Teams spend way too much money on players to just change their scheme whenever an unproven rookie that has a 50% chance of busting comes along. You have to define your needs and characteristics.
by MattMiller on
Apr 2, 2008 5:57 PM EDT
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No
That is just wrong. Switching from a 3-4 to a 4-3 just because a potentially very good player fell to you in the draft is absurd. Not only that but Jets for the past few years have been drafting and acquiring players based on a 3-4. So they would have find new players to fit their system and cut others. Plus, you are asking coaches like Mangini and his assistants who are much more well versed in a 3-4 than a 4-3 to switch to system they are not comfortable with.
Sorry but that would be a horrible idea.
by Burt D on
Apr 2, 2008 6:02 PM EDT
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The teams that you list that draft for scheme can afford to that. They have their star players to scheme around. They are not picking in the top 10 (except the Pats but it isnt the pick they earned). Teams picking early need get players start players to scheme around. I am not saying Dorsey was a good pick for the Jets, but when you team earned a top ten pick you need to get the best player you can within reason (ie not like the Lions and WR)
by DonFrancisco on Apr 2, 2008 6:15 PM EDT 0 recs
sorry I cant type
the third sentence should read "get players to start scheming around"
by DonFrancisco on
Apr 2, 2008 6:16 PM EDT
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BPA
Yes, picking the best player available works on offense, but defense is too different. A three-tech tackle has no position in a 3-4. So you want to change 10 other positions, make the coaches change and throw away two years of drafting for one player?
by MattMiller on
Apr 2, 2008 6:16 PM EDT
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if the player is good enough
I have no idea if Dorsey is good enough or not. I never said he should or should not have been the pick. The only point I am respectfully trying to make is that sometimes there are players that are good enough that it is worth it to get them. I think some teams would like to have drafted Adrian Peterson or Patrick Willis last year even if they werent needed or didnt fit their scheme. I simply dont think the deciding factor on every pick is scheme.
by DonFrancisco on
Apr 2, 2008 6:27 PM EDT
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Peterson and Willis fit every scheme
D-lineman can be very specific to schemes.
by Burt D on
Apr 3, 2008 12:00 AM EDT
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Right
by DonFrancisco on
Apr 3, 2008 8:58 AM EDT
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key word is sometimes
Sometimes a player is just worth it.
In this case its not because you would have to switch from a 3-4 to a 4-3. I am starting to think you are joking and are playing me like a fiddle, because I honestly don't understand how you can justify your argument, because its so ridiculous.
by Burt D on
Apr 3, 2008 3:11 PM EDT
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Not playing with your fiddle
Like you just agreed with me, sometimes a player is worth it. Again I reiterate I am not saying Dorsey is that player.
by DonFrancisco on
Apr 3, 2008 5:39 PM EDT
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Point is
changing from a 3-4 to a 4-3 for any player, let alone an unproven rookie (granted a top five pick) is never worth it. You would have to cut and add new players, change coaching staff, and basically start rebuilding again. Glenn Dorsey is not Jesus Christ. No player is worth that kind of treatment. Especially an injury prone, unproven rookie. I'm not trying to be mean, but what you want to do is beyond ridiculous.
by Burt D on
Apr 3, 2008 6:21 PM EDT
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Well...
Which part of "I am not saying Dorsey is that player" did you interpret as Glenn Dorsey is my Lord and Savior? In none of my responses have I said the Jets should switch to a 4-3. All I have said is that sometimes a really good player is worth drafting and then figuring out a way to get them on the field.Period.
Also its not like the players in a 3-4 are completely unable to play 4-3. They may be better suited for a 3-4 but they can hang. Also if any coach only knows how to do only one thing then they will be out of a job quickly. None of these coaches were running 3-4 10 years ago.
by DonFrancisco on
Apr 3, 2008 8:27 PM EDT
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